Posted By: roe
when did Fuel Injection start? - 01/14/12 12:56 AM
Looking for a motor, 360\318, and was trying to figure out what year fuel injection started.
when did Fuel Injection start?
Posted By: 69L78Nova
Re: when did Fuel Injection start? - 01/14/12 01:01 AM
That depends, are you looking for ANY efi, or a good system? As far as LA engines, I think 1981? was when the first efi came out. Late 80s was the tbi systems in the trucks, and Magnum PFI came out in 1992 for 318s and 1993 for 360s
Posted By: roe
Re: when did Fuel Injection start? - 01/14/12 01:08 AM
Maybe I should have worded that better. I actually want to avoid all that stuff, want to pick up something carbed
Posted By: GO_Fish
Re: when did Fuel Injection start? - 01/14/12 01:12 AM
Almost all mopar V8's were carbed until the late 80's. ARound '88 or so when TBI systems came into use. In the early '80's were the fuel injected 318 Imperials and they were duds. Back in the 50's there was mechanical fuel injection and that didn't work so well either.
Posted By: 383man
Re: when did Fuel Injection start? - 01/14/12 02:22 AM
88 was first year for the 318 and 89 for the 360. Both were throttle body inj until 92 I believe. Ron
Posted By: roe
Re: when did Fuel Injection start? - 01/14/12 02:30 AM
Ok, thanks guys. I found a few motors for $300-500. Mostly 318's but a few 360'a in that range as we'll. It's for a 84 ramcharger that I picked up. I wanna try and put another 360 back in, but if I find a 318 for the right price, then that's what it's getting.
Thanks again
Thanks again
Posted By: DaytonaTurbo
Re: when did Fuel Injection start? - 01/14/12 03:59 AM
Any of the injected 318/360's can be changed back to carb with a minimum of effort.
Posted By: quickd100
Re: when did Fuel Injection start? - 01/14/12 01:19 PM
Acually, Mopar EFI was first used in 1958.Dave
Posted By: 70Cuda383
Re: when did Fuel Injection start? - 01/14/12 01:28 PM
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Any of the injected 318/360's can be changed back to carb with a minimum of effort.
yup. and make more power to boot.
go get a Magnum small block, they have better heads and roller cams vs the LA engines. and they bolt right in like an LA block.
all you need to do is change the intake manifold and distributor, and your 2001 5.9L EFI motor just turned into a "1970s carb'ed V8"
unless you were going for originality, I see no reason to go with an LA motor
Posted By: Robbins
Re: when did Fuel Injection start? - 01/14/12 01:40 PM
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Acually, Mopar EFI was first used in 1958.Dave
That was the first thing that came to mind for me too. Probably because I have this ol' NE57 laying around.
Posted By: 69L78Nova
Re: when did Fuel Injection start? - 01/14/12 03:38 PM
Actually, the Electrojector, indeed used in 1958, was an option reserved for big block models
Posted By: savoy64
Re: when did Fuel Injection start? - 01/14/12 03:46 PM
and the big block was the 350ci-----and no not yet chevy guys---bob
Posted By: 62maxwgn
Re: when did Fuel Injection start? - 01/14/12 03:52 PM
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and the big block was the 350ci-----and no not yet chevy guys---bob
On American production cars,both GM and AMC beat us by a year !
Posted By: Supercuda
Re: when did Fuel Injection start? - 01/14/12 04:15 PM
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Acually, Mopar EFI was first used in 1958.Dave
NOT ON A 318 or 360 which is what the question was about.
If you really want to be pedantic the first mopar engine to be FI was in WWII, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler_IV-2220
Posted By: 383man
Re: when did Fuel Injection start? - 01/14/12 06:12 PM
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Acually, Mopar EFI was first used in 1958.Dave
NOT ON A 318 or 360 which is what the question was about.
If you really want to be pedantic the first mopar engine to be FI was in WWII, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler_IV-2220
I thought he only asked about the 318 and 360 but I have been known to be wrong before.
I do remember the Fuel injecton on the 300's with the 392 Hemi's were all recalled in 58 and changed back to carbs as far as I have heard. But I also heard one or two may still be out there with the injection on the 392 Hemi 300. Ron
Posted By: roe
Re: when did Fuel Injection start? - 01/14/12 06:14 PM
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Any of the injected 318/360's can be changed back to carb with a minimum of effort.
yup. and make more power to boot.
go get a Magnum small block, they have better heads and roller cams vs the LA engines. and they bolt right in like an LA block.
all you need to do is change the intake manifold and distributor, and your 2001 5.9L EFI motor just turned into a "1970s carb'ed V8"
unless you were going for originality, I see no reason to go with an LA motor
I get what u guys are saying, I thought about that too. But will it drop right in with the serpentine setup, or will I need to swap over the LA accessories? Isn't there an issue with getting the alternator to line up when swapping over the LA accessories? I had thought about going magnum with my satellite too, but ended up just dropping in an LA motor that I got a good deal on. If it won't increase the cost too much, magnum is an option
Posted By: CrAzYMoPaRGuY
Re: when did Fuel Injection start? - 01/14/12 07:11 PM
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and the big block was the 350ci-----and no not yet chevy guys---bob
On American production cars,both GM and AMC beat us by a year !
Nope.
GM didn't have ELECTRONIC fuel injection, it was caveman mechanical injection on a Chevy.
Posted By: Andrewh
Re: when did Fuel Injection start? - 01/14/12 08:54 PM
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Any of the injected 318/360's can be changed back to carb with a minimum of effort.
yup. and make more power to boot.
go get a Magnum small block, they have better heads and roller cams vs the LA engines. and they bolt right in like an LA block.
all you need to do is change the intake manifold and distributor, and your 2001 5.9L EFI motor just turned into a "1970s carb'ed V8"
unless you were going for originality, I see no reason to go with an LA motor
I get what u guys are saying, I thought about that too. But will it drop right in with the serpentine setup, or will I need to swap over the LA accessories? Isn't there an issue with getting the alternator to line up when swapping over the LA accessories? I had thought about going magnum with my satellite too, but ended up just dropping in an LA motor that I got a good deal on. If it won't increase the cost too much, magnum is an option
It should drop right in, I had custom lines made for the a/c and the power steering though. the connectors were not the same.
wasn't expensive though. like 50 bucks for both.
There are 2 issues though.
1 is the fan. I did not deal with this as I went electric. I don't know if there is a short snout for a car for the fan on the truck motors.
2 is the fuel pump. you will have to go electric.
I suppose 3rd issue will be the inlet and outlet for the radiator/water pump.
top goes to the driver side, bottom goes to passenger.
Posted By: quickd100
Re: when did Fuel Injection start? - 01/14/12 10:44 PM
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Acually, Mopar EFI was first used in 1958.Dave
NOT ON A 318 or 360 which is what the question was about.
If you really want to be pedantic the first mopar engine to be FI was in WWII, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler_IV-2220
I thought he only asked about the 318 and 360 but I have been known to be wrong before.
There is 1 known to exist. A '58 Desoto Adventurer Convert. The owner found a recalled unit that was taken off a car and never returned to Chrysler. The restored car was very likely the car the original unit came from. Dave
Posted By: 62maxwgn
Re: when did Fuel Injection start? - 01/14/12 10:57 PM
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and the big block was the 350ci-----and no not yet chevy guys---bob
On American production cars,both GM and AMC beat us by a year !
Nope.
GM didn't have ELECTRONIC fuel injection, it was caveman mechanical injection on a Chevy.
The question was,when did "fuel injection" start ?
Posted By: CrAzYMoPaRGuY
Re: when did Fuel Injection start? - 01/14/12 11:08 PM
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and the big block was the 350ci-----and no not yet chevy guys---bob
On American production cars,both GM and AMC beat us by a year !
Nope.
GM didn't have ELECTRONIC fuel injection, it was caveman mechanical injection on a Chevy.
The question was,when did "fuel injection" start ?
Just don't compare the mechanical injection with EFI. It's comparing caveman technology with an attempt at technology still being used TODAY!
Posted By: RodStRace
Re: when did Fuel Injection start? - 01/14/12 11:36 PM
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Any of the injected 318/360's can be changed back to carb with a minimum of effort.
yup. and make more power to boot.
go get a Magnum small block, they have better heads and roller cams vs the LA engines. and they bolt right in like an LA block.
all you need to do is change the intake manifold and distributor, and your 2001 5.9L EFI motor just turned into a "1970s carb'ed V8"
unless you were going for originality, I see no reason to go with an LA motor
Isn't there an issue with different intake bolt angles with this?
Posted By: CrAzYMoPaRGuY
Re: when did Fuel Injection start? - 01/14/12 11:46 PM
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Any of the injected 318/360's can be changed back to carb with a minimum of effort.
yup. and make more power to boot.
go get a Magnum small block, they have better heads and roller cams vs the LA engines. and they bolt right in like an LA block.
all you need to do is change the intake manifold and distributor, and your 2001 5.9L EFI motor just turned into a "1970s carb'ed V8"
unless you were going for originality, I see no reason to go with an LA motor
Isn't there an issue with different intake bolt angles with this?
I have a 1991 efi non-Magnum engine in my motorhome, I had to buy a hydraulic roller cam with a snout compatible with a mechanical fuel pump, it's an awesome driver.
Magnum engines are different than the 1991 and prior engines...
Posted By: DaytonaTurbo
Re: when did Fuel Injection start? - 01/15/12 12:49 AM
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Any of the injected 318/360's can be changed back to carb with a minimum of effort.
yup. and make more power to boot.
go get a Magnum small block, they have better heads and roller cams vs the LA engines. and they bolt right in like an LA block.
all you need to do is change the intake manifold and distributor, and your 2001 5.9L EFI motor just turned into a "1970s carb'ed V8"
unless you were going for originality, I see no reason to go with an LA motor
Isn't there an issue with different intake bolt angles with this?
Yes you have to either redrill and tap the heads for the LA intake manifold bolt angle or put on an aftermarket intake w/ the magnum bolt angle.
Posted By: roe
Re: when did Fuel Injection start? - 01/15/12 12:57 AM
Even though they're small, the the things you guys mention are why it will probably get an LA motor. I know the roller stuff is better but the LA stuff has held up this long, no reason why I can't keep it going.
Thanks for the help guys.
Thanks for the help guys.
Posted By: DaytonaTurbo
Re: when did Fuel Injection start? - 01/15/12 01:00 AM
Depends if the extra power is worth it to you I guess. The magnum 318 made 230hp to the carbed 318's 150. And considering the magnum engines do okay in the HP department with just some performance bolt-ons...
Posted By: roe
Re: when did Fuel Injection start? - 01/15/12 05:40 AM
No, the HP is not a big deal to me. Maybe I will just keep it a 360 if possible. It's just a driver, or will be. No offroading, no racing, just need to be a reliable truck
Posted By: 70Cuda383
Re: when did Fuel Injection start? - 01/15/12 04:43 PM
You're right. WAYYYYYY too much work to put a carb on a Magnum motor! 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SB-Mopar-340-360...=item19c9171043
or you can buy name brand parts for double the money.
electric fuel pump? nothing hard about that. and it fixes issues with cranking to fill a dry carb bowl, or vapor lock issues if you had them. and an electric fuel pump can be had for less than $100 at the power level you're after.
electric fan isn't a big deal either. you can get OEM fans that move massive air for cheap from dealerships, and even cheaper from salvage yards.
and I'm pretty sure you can change water pumps for one that has an outlet on the driver side if that's what your car uses. I've not done it myself though. top doesn't matter, the water neck comes vertical out the top of the engine, so just use your original radiator hose and nothing to worry about.
In the end, it's your choice, but food for thought, my stock 5.9/360 Magnum has a bone stock long block, hughes whiplash roller cam with their springs/retainers, a single plane intake, and headers, and it is nearly a 400 hp motor!
I made 285 hp and 325 tq to the wheels, which is right up around 375-ish crank hp.
drop in an LA, or buy a used Magnum for the same price, spend an extra $400 on an intake, fuel pump, electric fan and controller, etc. and you've got 400hp potential on stock heads.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SB-Mopar-340-360...=item19c9171043
or you can buy name brand parts for double the money.
electric fuel pump? nothing hard about that. and it fixes issues with cranking to fill a dry carb bowl, or vapor lock issues if you had them. and an electric fuel pump can be had for less than $100 at the power level you're after.
electric fan isn't a big deal either. you can get OEM fans that move massive air for cheap from dealerships, and even cheaper from salvage yards.
and I'm pretty sure you can change water pumps for one that has an outlet on the driver side if that's what your car uses. I've not done it myself though. top doesn't matter, the water neck comes vertical out the top of the engine, so just use your original radiator hose and nothing to worry about.
In the end, it's your choice, but food for thought, my stock 5.9/360 Magnum has a bone stock long block, hughes whiplash roller cam with their springs/retainers, a single plane intake, and headers, and it is nearly a 400 hp motor!
I made 285 hp and 325 tq to the wheels, which is right up around 375-ish crank hp.
drop in an LA, or buy a used Magnum for the same price, spend an extra $400 on an intake, fuel pump, electric fan and controller, etc. and you've got 400hp potential on stock heads.
Posted By: roe
Re: when did Fuel Injection start? - 01/15/12 10:18 PM
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You're right. WAYYYYYY too much work to put a carb on a Magnum motor!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SB-Mopar-340-360...=item19c9171043
or you can buy name brand parts for double the money.
electric fuel pump? nothing hard about that. and it fixes issues with cranking to fill a dry carb bowl, or vapor lock issues if you had them. and an electric fuel pump can be had for less than $100 at the power level you're after.
electric fan isn't a big deal either. you can get OEM fans that move massive air for cheap from dealerships, and even cheaper from salvage yards.
and I'm pretty sure you can change water pumps for one that has an outlet on the driver side if that's what your car uses. I've not done it myself though. top doesn't matter, the water neck comes vertical out the top of the engine, so just use your original radiator hose and nothing to worry about.
In the end, it's your choice, but food for thought, my stock 5.9/360 Magnum has a bone stock long block, hughes whiplash roller cam with their springs/retainers, a single plane intake, and headers, and it is nearly a 400 hp motor!
I made 285 hp and 325 tq to the wheels, which is right up around 375-ish crank hp.
drop in an LA, or buy a used Magnum for the same price, spend an extra $400 on an intake, fuel pump, electric fan and controller, etc. and you've got 400hp potential on stock heads.
Never said its too hard, I just dont need it for what Im after. Right now, for me, money is tight, and Im not able to spend the extra money needed to make the changes necessary to drop in the magnum. Thats why a few posts back I said if it didnt increase the cost too much it was an option, nothing about it being to hard.
I just need to get this thing back reliable, and then it'll probably get sold. If Im going to spend the extra coin to get a nice magnum and a little more power, then I'd put the magnum in my satellite, and put the 360 from my satellite into the truck. But, money is tight so it'll probably just get a solid running stock motor so its on the road again.
Posted By: roe
Re: when did Fuel Injection start? - 01/15/12 11:12 PM
Also, werent there LA 360 roller motors from like '88 through '91 or so?
Posted By: CrAzYMoPaRGuY
Re: when did Fuel Injection start? - 01/15/12 11:52 PM
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Also, werent there LA 360 roller motors from like '88 through '91 or so?
YUP.
That's what I have in my motorhome, read my post above....
Posted By: roe
Re: when did Fuel Injection start? - 01/15/12 11:56 PM
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Also, werent there LA 360 roller motors from like '88 through '91 or so?
YUP.
That's what I have in my motorhome, read my post above....
Must have missed that post. So for those years of LA motors, thats all I would have to do is make that mod to run a mech fuel pump...?
Posted By: CrAzYMoPaRGuY
Re: when did Fuel Injection start? - 01/16/12 01:40 AM
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Also, werent there LA 360 roller motors from like '88 through '91 or so?
YUP.
That's what I have in my motorhome, read my post above....
Must have missed that post. So for those years of LA motors, thats all I would have to do is make that mod to run a mech fuel pump...?
I chose a Comp Cam. They have a version with a snout compatible with a mechanical fuel pump, that is ALL it needs.
I wish you were closer, I would give you a ride in a 360 classC motorhome you wouldn't soon forget!
Posted By: 70Cuda383
Re: when did Fuel Injection start? - 01/16/12 02:13 PM
Fair enough. yea, if you're just looking to get it running to sell it, then do it the cheapest way possible.
I know money can be tight, and if it was mine that I planned on keeping, I'd rather wait a little longer to get it running, and use the newer, more powerful engine.
if I was keeping the truck, a year after the swap was done, I'd really be kicking myself for NOT going with the Magnum engine.
Good luck with your project, hope you get it all worked out!
I know money can be tight, and if it was mine that I planned on keeping, I'd rather wait a little longer to get it running, and use the newer, more powerful engine.
if I was keeping the truck, a year after the swap was done, I'd really be kicking myself for NOT going with the Magnum engine.
Good luck with your project, hope you get it all worked out!