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'new' engine #3111559
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After I delivered the old engine to Gdemon because Dizuster wanted it painted. I flipped the KB block onto the stand and started mocking things up for a new engine...

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Next, some of the think-tank team ?needed? to have a meeting over the holidays. Me, Steff, DVW, Shaun Meyer, Dartin in CW order. It was at least 6 hours long, lol. Kinda of impromptu but, a good showing on short notice over Christmas break.

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Re: 'new' engine [Re: HardcoreB] #3111567
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Those valve covers are bada$$ and worth some power for sure. Looks like a gnarly think tank to me smile


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I just had to throw the Predators on the block and see things like pushrod angles, etc and was hoping to get some primary header trajectories started but I wound-up getting sick for about a week. High-ports!

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Re: 'new' engine [Re: Al_Alguire] #3111571
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Originally Posted by Al_Alguire
Those valve covers are bada$$ and worth some power for sure. Looks like a gnarly think tank to me smile

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Realistically, I'm running out of time to get something together so, it's between one of these piston/rod/head combo's that can reuse the trans/converter/headers and gears I have.

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More mock-ups, more 'problems'...

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Home-made 'lifter-lash' tool.

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Re: 'new' engine [Re: HardcoreB] #3111584
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Looking good! Out of curiosity what numbers are you seeing, what do you consider bad?


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Originally Posted by metallicareload
Looking good! Out of curiosity what numbers are you seeing, what do you consider bad?

Excellent question and i have to use an asterisk to explain. I could say 'it depends' and be right too. Any OEM roller bearing wheel I have measured they typically wear-in and loosen .0002" from new and when they move after that they are on there way to failing. I have measured a few Comps with an .820" wheel and these in pic are Isky .850" wheel. TYPICALLY, I see about .0005" (plus or minus .0001") to start. I have done so many OEM to gage, that you'll see as much variation 'operator to operator' as .0002" even with me measuring i may get some lifters that 'start' at say .0006 and the next time i measure it'll get .0005" It's when they get close to .0009" + that it'll concern me. BUT again I've seen some START about .0008" Hope this makes sense!

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Re: 'new' engine [Re: HardcoreB] #3111633
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Originally Posted by HardcoreB
More mock-ups, more 'problems'...


I see the finger pointing. What is the issue?
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Can’t wait to see it finished and the results!


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Preditors versus B1? It must be a given the predators could be set up with superior hp potential, yet still run a cam that won't beat everything to death. Also the non paired exhaust is a big benefit i would think, keeping heat more even between the center cylinder exhausts promoting better valve seal. What goals do you have for power, engine size, rpm range? I am guessing a predator motor could be set up to have 1100 hp and yet still have reasonable number of runs between rebuilds/ maintenance?

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Re: 'new' engine [Re: gregsdart] #3111883
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Originally Posted by gregsdart
Preditors versus B1? It must be a given the predators could be set up with superior hp potential, yet still run a cam that won't beat everything to death. Also the non paired exhaust is a big benefit i would think, keeping heat more even between the center cylinder exhausts promoting better valve seal. What goals do you have for power, engine size, rpm range? I am guessing a predator motor could be set up to have 1100 hp and yet still have reasonable number of runs between rebuilds/ maintenance?

Thanks Wes. I really just need to get the car up and running again to learn and have some fun. These were the pieces I had long set aside when i was thinking "the fastest I'll ever want to go and afford ...8.50 chassis etc" This is your old block from the Dart FWIW. Greg, these are 440-1 Indy's that were cnc'd at Modern many years ago with 2.25" Ti valves and minor hand work. I can't get the Predators up to speed in time with new valves etc. (they need refreshening) and my current PG trans would 'cry like a little girl' if i put an 'easy on parts' Predator combo on it. It'll be legal for NA 10.5 or my local tracks 'all-motor' class which has rules that correct for different combos. The -1 combo can weight 2775 lbs at 480" I'm trying to make as much power as i can with the parts I have, I don't care how high it has to RPM. Speaking of cams I can't find anyone with a wedge 55mm 4/7 swap so, I'll be running this 'less than ideal' cam that has no additional material for regrinding. It only has a .480" lobe on it so, that will be one bottle-neck.

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I have a 54mm Bullet 4/7 swap cam that was in my 588, if your willing to switch bearings. are your running Babbit, or roller?


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Originally Posted by BANDIT
I have a 54mm Bullet 4/7 swap cam that was in my 588, if your willing to switch bearings. are your running Babbit, or roller?
It is 55MM babbit .Wasn't aware there is such a bearing, i assume it has the same OD but a smaller ID? Was this in a B1? I sent you a PM.

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That's a rowdy looking group of gearheads right there.


The valve covers are a classic institution of the 1970's Direct Connection catalog. While I am sure they won't be used in the final rendition you see them on some bery successful race cars in old pictures.

I really dig that roller lifter lash tool. Can you put some simple blue prints on a napkin and post it?

I think the "just have fun" approach is healthy. Not being the competitive type my time at the track is more of a social event. If racing goes okay that is a bonus lol. Days off of work shouldn't be successful!

Moving forward,.you really need to get aluminum valve covers and trim those studs before dvw does something crazy like install a fiberglass hood. : D



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Originally Posted by Jeremiah
That's a rowdy looking group of gearheads right there.


The valve covers are a classic institution of the 1970's Direct Connection catalog. While I am sure they won't be used in the final rendition you see them on some bery successful race cars in old pictures.

I really dig that roller lifter lash tool. Can you put some simple blue prints on a napkin and post it?

I think the "just have fun" approach is healthy. Not being the competitive type my time at the track is more of a social event. If racing goes okay that is a bonus lol. Days off of work shouldn't be successful!

Moving forward,.you really need to get aluminum valve covers and trim those studs before dvw does something crazy like install a fiberglass hood. : D

Anything you can seat the lifer on ‘square’ this has 2 surfaces that locate. Having an ‘adjustable’ seat makes it modular for other lifters. Then mount a high resolution indicator in a way that pics up the centerline of the wheel and then pry the wheel to gage lash…verify it repeats and viola! He’s using old school M/T aluminum covers with a -12 vacuum fitting welded in place. Some of the stuff in pic was to ship it.

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Just cause here is some pushrod pics on my Predator junk we are still trying to finish up. Hemi block Predator stuff takes a bit more work to get clearance for sure. Supposed to be a "better" version, but not seeing it.

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Originally Posted by HardcoreB
Originally Posted by gregsdart
Preditors versus B1? It must be a given the predators could be set up with superior hp potential, yet still run a cam that won't beat everything to death. Also the non paired exhaust is a big benefit i would think, keeping heat more even between the center cylinder exhausts promoting better valve seal. What goals do you have for power, engine size, rpm range? I am guessing a predator motor could be set up to have 1100 hp and yet still have reasonable number of runs between rebuilds/ maintenance?

Thanks Wes. I really just need to get the car up and running again to learn and have some fun. These were the pieces I had long set aside when i was thinking "the fastest I'll ever want to go and afford ...8.50 chassis etc" This is your old block from the Dart FWIW. Greg, these are 440-1 Indy's that were cnc'd at Modern many years ago with 2.25" Ti valves and minor hand work. I can't get the Predators up to speed in time with new valves etc. (they need refreshening) and my current PG trans would 'cry like a little girl' if i put an 'easy on parts' Predator combo on it. It'll be legal for NA 10.5 or my local tracks 'all-motor' class which has rules that correct for different combos. The -1 combo can weight 2775 lbs at 480" I'm trying to make as much power as i can with the parts I have, I don't care how high it has to RPM. Speaking of cams I can't find anyone with a wedge 55mm 4/7 swap so, I'll be running this 'less than ideal' cam that has no additional material for regrinding. It only has a .480" lobe on it so, that will be one bottle-neck.


LOL. Nice! That motor's pieces have quite a few new adoptive parents! Good luck with it!!!


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