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Inexpensive header coatings? #1218710 04/19/12 04:51 PM 04/19/12 04:51 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 7,982 Scranton, PA Montclaire OP master
Montclaire OP master Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 7,982 Scranton, PA	I have a pair of headers that I got with a car, they are an old pair of Hedmans that are kinda crusty. I was going to send them off to Jet-Hot to be coated, but they quoted me over $300. I can buy a new, ceramic coated pair for $257. Doesn't have to be show quality, just looking for something that will hold up and keep the rust at bay. Thoughts? Thanks

Re: Inexpensive header coatings? [Re: Montclaire] #1218711 04/19/12 05:31 PM 04/19/12 05:31 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 7,982 Scranton, PA Montclaire OP master
Montclaire OP master Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 7,982 Scranton, PA	I should say that I've tried the rattle can route over the years, I need someplace that will dip and bake them.

Re: Inexpensive header coatings? [Re: Montclaire] #1218712 04/19/12 05:32 PM 04/19/12 05:32 PM
Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 2,405 Ambridge, Pa. R rickraw top fuel
rickraw top fuel R Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 2,405 Ambridge, Pa.	eastwood has tech coating. i think it's 25.00 for a 4 ounce can, 1300 deg. i got 2 cans to do my small block headers. i cured mine in my modified over. can be cured on the car.

Re: Inexpensive header coatings? [Re: rickraw] #1218713 04/19/12 05:36 PM 04/19/12 05:36 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 13,357 Marion, South Carolina [><] an8sec70cuda I Live Here
an8sec70cuda I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 13,357 Marion, South Carolina [><]	Quote: eastwood has tech coating. i think it's 25.00 for a 4 ounce can, 1300 deg. i got 2 cans to do my small block headers. i cured mine in my modified over. can be cured on the car. How has it lasted? I got some stuff from eastwood several years back that was black. It was in a can and you painted it on. It wasn't any better than the rattle can crap from the parts store. CHIP '70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60 '69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60 '71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75 '73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75 '90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt '06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax

Re: Inexpensive header coatings? [Re: an8sec70cuda] #1218714 04/19/12 05:41 PM 04/19/12 05:41 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 7,982 Scranton, PA Montclaire OP master
Montclaire OP master Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 7,982 Scranton, PA	Yeah, the "cure on car" method is a joke. I had bought good paint, too, but it had to be baked within so many hours. So it was spray, spray, throw the motor in the car, and let it run. Of course, that meant open headers. Wound up going half deaf and vibrating all of the trophys off the body shop shelf. That didn't go over too well. They looked just as bad two months later. Last edited by Montclaire; 04/19/12 05:42 PM.

Re: Inexpensive header coatings? [Re: an8sec70cuda] #1218715 04/19/12 05:42 PM 04/19/12 05:42 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Quote: Quote: eastwood has tech coating. i think it's 25.00 for a 4 ounce can, 1300 deg. i got 2 cans to do my small block headers. i cured mine in my modified over. can be cured on the car. How has it lasted? I got some stuff from eastwood several years back that was black. It was in a can and you painted it on. It wasn't any better than the rattle can crap from the parts store. I use to use the BBQ spray paint... a couple times a year I would have to spray the outside of the first bend... thats the hot spot.... now days I have QC Coatings do all my headers with ceramic (black or Silver)

Re: Inexpensive header coatings? [Re: Montclaire] #1218716 04/19/12 05:44 PM 04/19/12 05:44 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 13,357 Marion, South Carolina [><] an8sec70cuda I Live Here
an8sec70cuda I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 13,357 Marion, South Carolina [><]	If someone near you does powdercoating, you may want to check w/ them. I think they have a type of coating they can do that will work on headers. Just what I've been told, but I have zero experience w/ it. CHIP '70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60 '69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60 '71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75 '73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75 '90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt '06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax

Re: Inexpensive header coatings? [Re: an8sec70cuda] #1218717 04/19/12 05:48 PM 04/19/12 05:48 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 7,982 Scranton, PA Montclaire OP master
Montclaire OP master Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 7,982 Scranton, PA	What does QC charge per pair?

Re: Inexpensive header coatings? [Re: an8sec70cuda] #1218718 04/19/12 05:51 PM 04/19/12 05:51 PM
Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 2,405 Ambridge, Pa. R rickraw top fuel
rickraw top fuel R Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 2,405 Ambridge, Pa.	i used the silver matte finish. it has lasted longer that a set of tti's i use to have. prep is the key for a good finish. i beleive u need a 240 grit finish. no glass beading. i modified a old electric oven, 1 header fits in nicely. cured 1 hr @ 800 deg. finish never came off. for what it cost for jet hot, u can do ur own headers many times & it still would be cheaper.

Re: Inexpensive header coatings? [Re: Montclaire] #1218719 04/19/12 05:53 PM 04/19/12 05:53 PM
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MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Quote: What does QC charge per pair? About $250 for most headers

Re: Inexpensive header coatings? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1218720 04/19/12 05:56 PM 04/19/12 05:56 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 7,982 Scranton, PA Montclaire OP master
Montclaire OP master Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 7,982 Scranton, PA	Yeah, I can buy new for $250

Re: Inexpensive header coatings? [Re: Montclaire] #1218721 04/19/12 06:01 PM 04/19/12 06:01 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Quote: Yeah, I can buy new for $250 Your not buying new headers that are ceramic coated for $250

Re: Inexpensive header coatings? [Re: Montclaire] #1218722 04/19/12 07:22 PM 04/19/12 07:22 PM
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Clanton master C Joined: May 2011 Posts: 4,489 northern,Ohio,USA	i used tech like coatings cerma krome.thay are dull after 20yrs but not rusted. Last edited by Clanton; 04/19/12 07:23 PM. GOTBOOST!New improved with Victor heads. http://www.enginelabs.com/mopar-big-bloc...t-of-necessity/

Re: Inexpensive header coatings? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1218723 04/19/12 08:32 PM 04/19/12 08:32 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 13,357 Marion, South Carolina [><] an8sec70cuda I Live Here
an8sec70cuda I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 13,357 Marion, South Carolina [><]	Quote: Quote: Yeah, I can buy new for $250 Your not buying new headers that are ceramic coated for $250 I'm thinking the same thing. New and painted maybe, but not new and ceramic coated. If they are really $275 for coated ones, then I'd seriously question the quality. CHIP '70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60 '69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60 '71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75 '73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75 '90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt '06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax

Re: Inexpensive header coatings? [Re: an8sec70cuda] #1218724 04/19/12 08:41 PM 04/19/12 08:41 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Quote: Quote: Quote: Yeah, I can buy new for $250 Your not buying new headers that are ceramic coated for $250 I'm thinking the same thing. New and painted maybe, but not new and ceramic coated. If they are really $275 for coated ones, then I'd seriously question the quality. Without a doubt.... even a plain set of headers for $275 I would REALLY wonder

Re: Inexpensive header coatings? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1218725 04/19/12 09:06 PM 04/19/12 09:06 PM
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mshred master M Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 3,414 Toronto	I've had good luck with the spray bomb method...Used VHT the first year I put my car together, without any heat processing and the paint flaked right off (And stunk too)..Second time around I wire wheeled the headers until they were bare metal, heated em up till they were glowing hot with a torch (you can feel the heat coming out the opposite side) and while they were hot, sprayed about 2-3 coats of the paint on. That finish lasted perfectly fine, required no breaking in with heat on initial firing of the engine, and is cheap and looks good too

Re: Inexpensive header coatings? [Re: mshred] #1218726 04/19/12 10:55 PM 04/19/12 10:55 PM
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69dart pro stock Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,412 Johnstown	The spray on coatings are a joke. I've stripped headers and refinished them only to have them like junk after a year or so. This time I tried POR-15 Black Velvet header coating and its amazing. I wiped them down with rubbing alcohol and painted them with a brush right on the car. I thinned the Black Velvet with a little bit of paint thinner and brushed it on. It looks a little streaky at first but once you start the engine it bakes right on. If you ever need to touch it up just grab the can and brush a little more on. Make sure you wear gloves because it doesnt come off your skin. I've done 2 sets of headers so far and used maybe 1/2 of the can. 33 Plymouth Roadster - 383 - 5.90 1/8th 9.58 1/4 68 Dart - 340 66 Belvedere - 400 Windy Hollow Garage - https://www.youtube.com/@windyhollowgarage

Re: Inexpensive header coatings? [Re: 69dart] #1218727 04/19/12 11:08 PM 04/19/12 11:08 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 7,982 Scranton, PA Montclaire OP master
Montclaire OP master Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 7,982 Scranton, PA	Quote: The spray on coatings are a joke. I've stripped headers and refinished them only to have them like junk after a year or so. This time I tried POR-15 Black Velvet header coating and its amazing. I wiped them down with rubbing alcohol and painted them with a brush right on the car. I thinned the Black Velvet with a little bit of paint thinner and brushed it on. It looks a little streaky at first but once you start the engine it bakes right on. If you ever need to touch it up just grab the can and brush a little more on. Make sure you wear gloves because it doesnt come off your skin. I've done 2 sets of headers so far and used maybe 1/2 of the can. I'm guessing you don't need a top coat with that? Sounds like it might be a good solution.

Re: Inexpensive header coatings? [Re: Montclaire] #1218728 04/20/12 12:46 AM 04/20/12 12:46 AM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	I sandblast the crap out of them to get good bite and then BBQ black them. Very easy to touch up if need be and doesn't wear off.

Re: Inexpensive header coatings? #1218729 04/20/12 01:11 AM 04/20/12 01:11 AM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,099 Rogue River, OR Jeremiah master
Jeremiah master Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,099 Rogue River, OR	VHT, no problems after several years.

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