Chevy starter qeustion
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04/19/24 06:20 AM
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I have a small block in my 70 Monte. Ever since I bought it 18 years ago, the starter needed to be given a jolt of juice once in a while. The previous owner had a jumper wire from the fuse block to the starter solenoid with a switch under the steering column to give it juice when needed. It has a good battery, starter doesn't make any funny noises, but sometimes it's just nothing at all (no click, grinding, nothing). I have replaced the battery cables and have tested the voltage at the battery and the starter end of it, both about the same. I think I tested it with the key on as if it was starting when I had the starter out last time to replace cables and it was real close there too. Do the solenoids go bad and if so, are they replaceable without replacing the entire starter? I know I could go with a new starter or mini one, but I was thinking maybe the solenoid may have an internal issue with the flow of power since it starts every time I hit the switch on the inside of the car. I'll have to admit, it is nice to have it not start with the key alone sometimes. It's like an anti theft device, but would like to see if I can fix it easily.
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Re: Chevy starter qeustion
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04/19/24 08:06 AM
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Number 1 issue is undersized wiring leading to low voltage causing slow or no crank.
But, if you get nothing, neutral switch or ignition switch are suspected. They could be worn or in need of adjustment.
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Re: Chevy starter qeustion
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04/19/24 10:40 AM
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You can jumper around both the neutral safety switch and ignition switch to eliminate them as the problem. However, since this appears to be an intermittent issue, that may not resolve anything during testing. Maybe next time it is acting up you can do the jumpering and see what changes..
Yes, solenoids can go bad.
Yes, they can be replaced.
However, it might be time to just up and buy a nice, shiny all new one and stop farting about with something that is old. Unless it's some sort of all original car that is and if it is rebuilding your old solenoid might be an idea to consider. No kits that I know of to do that, however, it can be done.
Well, dang, they do make a rebuild kit for your solenoid, assuming it is the original starter. Rock Auto has them. I;m used to old flathead mopars and no one makes kits for those. You have to hand wind your own, lol.
Last edited by Sniper; 04/19/24 10:44 AM.
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Re: Chevy starter qeustion
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04/19/24 11:20 AM
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What used to be, and what currently is may be completely different these days, but you used to be able to replace the solenoid on the old GM starters. You have to remove the starter from the car to replace the solenoid. That said, I have to wonder if since someone ran a wire down to the starter, if the problem lays elsewhere (unless the starter is a royal pain to change). I'm betting the extra wire you spoke of bypasses everything between the battery and the starter. Someone didn't know how to chase down the problem, or couldn't find the problem, so they just added the extra wire. It is possible that simply replacing the extra wire with another will make it work "like it always has".
Personally, if it was mine, I'd replace the starter as a starting point, if its still the original, its spent a lot of time just sitting, or it could be completely wore out. You will have to pull it out to do just about anything with it, I probably would not put that old starter back in without a complete rebuild unless you know its full history. We have places in our town that actually rebuild the old starters and alternators, might be better then the new Chiniseum stuff on the market these days.
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Re: Chevy starter qeustion
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04/19/24 12:10 PM
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Number one problem when a GM starter just clicks and doesn't turn over is the solenoid. Number two problem when that happens is bad brushes. If you can rap the starter with a hammer and it cranks over, suspect it needs brushes. A jumper wire will cover up a lot of sins by delivering more voltage which just covers up the problem, but doesn't solve it. Either way, I'd rebuild the original starter if you want reliabilty, since many parts store rebuilds are carp. Another solution is replacing the old starter with a brand new super small PMGR starter. There are many later model cars that use them and older cars can be retrofitted, especially if the car or truck in question has a HEI distributor. The PMGR starters usually require different starter specific bolts, due to the starter having metric size mounting holes and the block having US spec threads. Some starters come with the needed bolts, some don't. Number of teeth on flywheel/flexplate determines whether a straight across or angled bolt pattern is used. Here's a PDF on Remy starters that can be interchanged. Linky --> PMGR Remy Chevrolet starter info.A 1970 Monte Carlo came with points, and a PMGR starter that has the "R" terminal would be needed. If the distributor has been replaced with an HEI, the "R" terminal on the starter is not needed.
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Re: Chevy starter qeustion
[Re: poorboy]
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04/19/24 05:00 PM
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If it works everytime with the bypass wire, I would say you have a switch or wiring issue. GM's typically use a purple wire form the Ign. switch directly to the solenoid to energize it. When the solenoid energizes it pulls a shorting contact forward that send battery power to the starter motor and on PRE HEI cars battery power to the coil bypassing the points resistance wire for starting. It also sends the Starter Bendix back to the flywheel engaging the teeth before the SM starts turning. Energizing the solenoid is audibly noticeable. So while it is possible the solenoid is at fault, I would suspect the switch or wiring first.
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