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A TRUE STORY REPRODUCTION BROADCAST SHEETS
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04/26/10 02:21 PM
04/26/10 02:21 PM
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Wow, not sure how to touch this one, tippy toe I guess.
Dave Stuart, Dave Walden and myself did have a very long discussion in Dave Stuarts awesome laid out garage about reproducing BCS and collectively came to the conclusion that it was a bad thing. I can tell you first hand that DS & DW are some of the most honest and upstanding people that I have the privilege to known and feel honored to be considered a friend.
Sometimes dishonest people will question the intent of an honest person because of their own moral short comings.
We also talked about DW reproducing copies of BCS only when an original could be supplied to verify the car "is what it is" and figured even those would hinder the hobby to a certain degree, it might make even the originals suspect. There's no question that a BCS is important and we realize that, is it the best documentation to verify the pedigree of a vehicle? Nope, but it is the most readily accessible.
There is no question DW can make these sheets perfect, here's my original and a copy of one he did for my 3,900 mile original owner Cuda. Not that I need one, I have the original along with the original window sticker and dealer invoice. Here's what he come up with when we were fooling around at his place the last time I was there. BTW, the blank sheet was printed on the original machine by the original supplier.
Here's my original.
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Re: A TRUE STORY REPRODUCTION BROADCAST SHEETS
[Re: HEMICUDA]
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04/26/10 02:23 PM
04/26/10 02:23 PM
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Here's fooling around, scary isn't it.
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Re: A TRUE STORY REPRODUCTION BROADCAST SHEETS
[Re: gtx6970]
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04/26/10 03:35 PM
04/26/10 03:35 PM
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I'll probably regret this , But
But , I don't see the point of a repop sheet 'IF' you have the orignal.
And 'IF' you have the original just wander down to any local printer and have a photo copy made. Store the original and call it Done.
If , you don't have the original and don't have either the data tag( good chance) It'll be very unlikely you have the original window sticker. You WILL be guessing at the VON and Build date numbers. Sure everything else is obtainable with effort. But if your guessing on part of it, why bother
Well Billy, yes I do have the original BCS, window sticker and the dealer invoice as well as the had written order sheet from the salesman that sold Glen the car. Not to mention the cashiers receipt for $160 when he ordered the car and the salesmans business card. If that car is ever shown, the original paperwork will stay right where it is in my safe. Doesn't any one of the cars in your fleet have an original window sticker? Yep, that's pretty rare. It almost sounds like you're calling me dishonest.
Who needs a BCS when you have this?
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Re: A TRUE STORY REPRODUCTION BROADCAST SHEETS
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04/26/10 03:38 PM
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Hmmm,
Now I need to google "how to authentically age documents"....
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Re: A TRUE STORY REPRODUCTION BROADCAST SHEETS
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04/26/10 03:45 PM
04/26/10 03:45 PM
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Hmmm,
Now I need to google "how to authentically age documents"....
While you're at it, find out about these.
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Re: A TRUE STORY REPRODUCTION BROADCAST SHEETS
[Re: HPMike]
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04/26/10 04:10 PM
04/26/10 04:10 PM
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I wonder what the proper mixture of ingredients that was used to obtain the truly OE smell of the original sheets.
I am thinking 48% mold/mildew, 22% Varmint urine, 13% Human body odor and 17% just plain old "funk".
MB
Who told you, that was classified information.
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Re: A TRUE STORY REPRODUCTION BROADCAST SHEETS
[Re: HEMICUDA]
#680708
04/26/10 05:07 PM
04/26/10 05:07 PM
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Who needs a BCS when you have this?
OK, so does this mean you destroyed your broadcast sheet just because you feel the other paperwork is better?
No need to answer, I just had to ask. 
Another problem with extremely accurate "reproductions" is that it calls the other items into question. If a person goes to the trouble to make a broadcast sheet, how can anyone know for sure that the other paperwork is real?
Window stickers in general are the most common paper fakes / reproductions ( pick the word you prefer) out there in my experience. One of the reasons for this is that folks have been selling them as novelties since the late 1970s / early 80s. Some of the ones I have seen are quite good, but they do have their flaws.
It is amazing how many folks neglect to tell their potential buyers what documention they show is not original when it comes time to sell the car. 
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Re: A TRUE STORY REPRODUCTION BROADCAST SHEETS
[Re: gtx6970]
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04/26/10 05:14 PM
04/26/10 05:14 PM
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I'll probably regret this , But
But , I don't see the point of a repop sheet 'IF' you have the orignal.
And 'IF' you have the original just wander down to any local printer and have a photo copy made. Store the original and call it Done.
If , you don't have the original and don't have either the data tag( good chance) It'll be very unlikely you have the original window sticker. You WILL be guessing at the VON and Build date numbers. Sure everything else is obtainable with effort. But if your guessing on part of it, why bother
Bill, the reason I would is that I would like to display it. I had two in my car. The one behind the glove box disintegrated into powder and flakes. The one behind the seat cushion had those great black "S" shaped imprints all over it. It is in safe keeping. Some of it is unreadable.
I think the copies should be made with a tell tale sign on them to keep them apart from originals. I would not mind the word COPY, REPLACEMENT or FACSIMILE superimposed on a reproduction. (Like large outline letterng on a 45 degree angle in red.) I just want one that is readable that I can display with the car. I will keep the original safe.
FYI, the crime labs can all tell the actual age of a document regardless of its appearance. The FBI in a case here years ago proved the document's paper and printing was the age it needed to be authentic but the signature was made with a pen whose ink had not been invented when the document was printed making the signature bogus.
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Previous mopars: 62 Valiant, 65 Fury III, 68 Fury III, 72 Satellite, 74 Satellite, 89 Acclaim, 98 Caravan, 2003 Durango
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Re: A TRUE STORY REPRODUCTION BROADCAST SHEETS
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04/26/10 05:34 PM
04/26/10 05:34 PM
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I'll probably regret this , But
But , I don't see the point of a repop sheet 'IF' you have the orignal.
And 'IF' you have the original just wander down to any local printer and have a photo copy made. Store the original and call it Done.
If , you don't have the original and don't have either the data tag( good chance) It'll be very unlikely you have the original window sticker. You WILL be guessing at the VON and Build date numbers. Sure everything else is obtainable with effort. But if your guessing on part of it, why bother
I'll probably regret this too, I bought my '67 GTX nearly 30 years ago and it had the build sheet in the back seat. It was already crumbling so I double laminated it with clear laminate to preseve it. Fast forward nearly 30 years and now everyone is telling me I was (am) an idiot for doing that, that I've destroyed the values of the BS, on and on, ad infinitum ad nauseum. I'd just like a clean copy that I could display with the car. 
"We live in a time when intelligent people are being silenced so that stupid people won't be offended".
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Re: A TRUE STORY REPRODUCTION BROADCAST SHEETS
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04/26/10 05:52 PM
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I'll probably regret this , But
But , I don't see the point of a repop sheet 'IF' you have the orignal.
And 'IF' you have the original just wander down to any local printer and have a photo copy made. Store the original and call it Done.
If , you don't have the original and don't have either the data tag( good chance) It'll be very unlikely you have the original window sticker. You WILL be guessing at the VON and Build date numbers. Sure everything else is obtainable with effort. But if your guessing on part of it, why bother
I'll probably regret this too, I bought my '67 GTX nearly 30 years ago and it had the build sheet in the back seat. It was already crumbling so I double laminated it with clear laminate to preseve it. Fast forward nearly 30 years and now everyone is telling me I was (am) an idiot for doing that, that I've destroyed the values of the BS, on and on, ad infinitum ad nauseum. I'd just like a clean copy that I could display with the car.
Previous owner of my car laminated mine 20-25 years ago and it looks awesome. Granted my car is not a blue chip car but it's still nice to have in good condition. Given the discussions going on about fake/reproduction ones, I'm on the other side of the fence. I'd say you increased the value by laminating the original.  
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Re: A TRUE STORY REPRODUCTION BROADCAST SHEETS
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04/26/10 06:49 PM
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One reason I needled DW to make a copy of my original was I just had to watch and see. That thing is identical in every way shape and form, carbon dating would be the only way to tell and I don't care who you are. It really set me back, it made you feel like "holy crap this ain't good". It's not going to happen, there will never be reproduction sheets of any kind coming out of ECS. You have to be very careful to challenge DW that he can't do something like a certain "I'm all mighty MOPAR god" did. All his effort was to show him wrong, he gave it 2 up with 100% certainty that the sheet he inspected that DW made was authentic. Did you know that the Hamtramck BCS had 12 perfs per inch and Lynch Road had 4 with a different shade of blue?
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