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needle roller bearing upgrade for pilot bushing? #2601965
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I'm in the middle of changing out the clutch in my car and it occurred to me that I seem to recall there being an article years back in either Mopar Collectors Guide or one of the other magazines that someone put a needle bearing in where the pilot bushing was. Would anyone have this article or part number for the bearing? Is there really any big difference with doing the upgrade?

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Re: needle roller bearing upgrade for pilot bushing? [Re: fuelishnsilly] #2602251
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Here's a link to what your looking for sold on ebay.



https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mopar-PILOT-BEARING-Upgrade-A833-4-speed-Dodge-Plymouth-340-360-318-440-Hemi/223304418624?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20180105095853%26meid%3D32106e25a6dd470e81315bd05f2a7f3a%26pid%3D100903%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D20%26sd%3D152061684081%26itm%3D223304418624&_trksid=p2509164.c100903.m5276

Re: needle roller bearing upgrade for pilot bushing? [Re: fuelishnsilly] #2602277
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Before you buy on ebay look on Rockauto under $9 dollars 2000 Dakota 5.9.
I have run these in all my cars. Never a problem.


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Re: needle roller bearing upgrade for pilot bushing? [Re: fuelishnsilly] #2602438
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I agree. Rockauto and select the bearing for a Dakota V8 application. They work real slick.

Re: needle roller bearing upgrade for pilot bushing? [Re: fuelishnsilly] #2602599
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Is there any kind of modification needed for the input shaft or the opening in the crank?


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Re: needle roller bearing upgrade for pilot bushing? [Re: fuelishnsilly] #2602603
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I'm on the Rockauto web site and I can't seem to locate it. There is an input shaft bearing which they have two listed under 2000 Dakota with the 5.9 engine.

1DGEMAN, do you have a part number that I can search?

Thanks


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Re: needle roller bearing upgrade for pilot bushing? [Re: fuelishnsilly] #2602992
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No mods necessary, just be sure to install it with the bevel towards the engine.

https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=447751&cc=1361810&jsn=488


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Re: needle roller bearing upgrade for pilot bushing? [Re: fuelishnsilly] #2603141
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great. thanks for the help !


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Re: needle roller bearing upgrade for pilot bushing? [Re: fuelishnsilly] #2603341
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There is absolutely ZERO gain to this swap. It can't even be called an "upgrade". Just think how many years and how many cars have bushings in them. I can only surmise that Chrysler made the change to save money. Instead of reaming the hole to size and then pressing in a bushing, they could just hog out the crank and then tap a cheapo bearing into the existing flywheel register.

Re: needle roller bearing upgrade for pilot bushing? [Re: Stanton] #2603522
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Originally Posted By Stanton
There is absolutely ZERO gain to this swap. It can't even be called an "upgrade". Just think how many years and how many cars have bushings in them. I can only surmise that Chrysler made the change to save money. Instead of reaming the hole to size and then pressing in a bushing, they could just hog out the crank and then tap a cheapo bearing into the existing flywheel register.


I've been reluctant to 'upgrade' to the anti-friction bearing also. With the brass bushing, even with marginal lubrication, it's hard to tear up the transmission input shaft. A failure of the roller bearing would probably give you a different result.


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Re: needle roller bearing upgrade for pilot bushing? [Re: fuelishnsilly] #2605134
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Originally Posted By fuelishnsilly
Is there any kind of modification needed for the input shaft or the opening in the crank?


If it was not originally a 4sp crank make sure the pilot hole is deep enough to clear the input shaft.


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Re: needle roller bearing upgrade for pilot bushing? [Re: Stanton] #2605139
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Originally Posted By Stanton
There is absolutely ZERO gain to this swap. It can't even be called an "upgrade". Just think how many years and how many cars have bushings in them. I can only surmise that Chrysler made the change to save money. Instead of reaming the hole to size and then pressing in a bushing, they could just hog out the crank and then tap a cheapo bearing into the existing flywheel register.


Obviously you don't know that this bearing fits in the machined index for the torque convertor. The gain is any crank can be used with a 4sp. Just check the depth of the pilot hole so it clears the input shaft.


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