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towing with V-6 Dakota #1190532
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Looking for real world experience of towing with a 3rd generation (2005) V-6 Dakota. I don't tow often, but need the ability to do so a couple times a year. I used to tow my open car hauler with my wife's Hemi Durango, but she just sold it and now I'm stuck with my 4x4 Dakota or spending $ on something else.

I know the best choice is a full size with a V-8. And I know my Dakota will be an absolute dog with crappy gas mileage while towing, but it's paid for and I'll never get enough out of selling it to buy a reasonable V-8 replacement.

The official towing capacity is 7,000 but I'm curious to see whether it can really do it.

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Re: towing with V-6 Dakota [Re: Valiant_Showoff] #1190533
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Ohio is pretty flat I hear, so you should be okay with occasional towing, just don't be in a hurry. Any mountain towing, I'd say "no go" with the V6 4x4 Dak. (My experience is towing a 17' runabout with a 1990 Dakota, extended cab, 2wd, 3.9V6... It had it's tongue hanging out on mild grades). If your truck is rated for it, go for it. Beyond factory ratings, I wouldn't do it.


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Re: towing with V-6 Dakota [Re: Valiant_Showoff] #1190534
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The closest I've come is a towing with a 6 cylinder Jeep Cherokee (2100 miles in 2 1/2 days without problem) . It did fine with 3.07 gears, 5 speed and around 2000 lb total. I wouldn't want to pull a tandem open car trailer with it though.

The Dakota is a stouter vehicle but the limiting factor would be power and gearing. I'm a litle surprised with the 7000 lb tow rating and the V6. If it has steep gears (3.91, 4.10) and an auxiliary transmission cooler it would probably do OK if you are not in a hurry. Without the steep gears and cooler, it would be dangerously slow and hurt itself trying. If it matters, I doubt U haul would rent one of their car haulers with that stated combo.

Re: towing with V-6 Dakota [Re: Valiant_Showoff] #1190535
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How good are the trailer brakes? I towed a small 2000 lb trailer from LA to Colorado Springs with my old '02 3.9 automatic Dak. Mileage was terrible, power was totally absent, and stopping was terrifying. Yes it was a lot of mountain driving and while you may be able to go carefully on flat land I really don't recommend it. You asked for real world - over a million miles accident free and a lot of towing mixed in. I don't scare easily - that trip scared me.


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Re: towing with V-6 Dakota [Re: Valiant_Showoff] #1190536
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If your car hauler is 2500 pounds and the car about 3500 to 4000 you should be ok for 100 mile or less trips.

If you have the 9 1/4 rear-end, you're good, the 5-45rfe, they're bullet-proof, and the rad opening is fair sized, it should be all good.

You have the right idea, so just take your time. If it shifts alot, lock it in 3rd gear (direct) and you should be ok.


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Re: towing with V-6 Dakota [Re: Grizzly] #1190537
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7,000 lbs? you sure about that? that would mean your drivetrain is rated for a gross weight of at least 11,000 lbs.

I don't buy it.

I think your 7,000 lbs is TOTAL vehicle weight, to include the weight of your Dakota, which is probably around 4,000, giving you about a 3,000 lb towing capacity with the V6.

my 4.7L '04 Dakota is only rated to tow about 6500-7000 lbs, or, about 11-12k lbs gross vehicle/trailer combo.

that said...the dakota is a heavy truck. I know the 97-04's are minimum 4,000 lbs, my 04 quad cab, 4.7L, 2wd, auto weighs 4500 empty. if the new gens are just as heavy, then you have the "anchor" to tow a heavier load, the question then becomes an issue of power available to get going, and if you have trailer brakes or not.

for an occasional tow on flat land, go for it, but stick to the back roads, keeping the speed down, and avoid the freeway traffic moving at 65-75mph here in Ohio.


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Re: towing with V-6 Dakota [Re: 70Cuda383] #1190538
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I say that I think your 7,000 is total weight (truck plus trailer) because I remember my 98 Dakota, V6, was rated for gross of 7500 lbs, or, after the weight of the truck was accounted for, 3500 lbs.

THAT truck, V6, 2wd, stick shift, club cab, weighed 4,000 empty!!

but I did put 1600 lbs of stone in the bed on more than one occasion, and drove about 9 miles with that weight. I basically told the guys to load it up until it was ALMOST bottomed out on the suspension. It drove perfectly fine, but it was also 35mph or less as I drove across town from the gravel yard to my house. absolutely NO highway at all.

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Re: towing with V-6 Dakota [Re: 70Cuda383] #1190539
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i have an 03 dakota ex. cab, 4x4 3.9/5speed//355 gears. i towed my 47 desoto on a trailer for 3 miles when i moved 5 years ago. i live in a hilly area and it was just about the truck could handle towing this car and trailer. i went very slow the whole way and it still struggled. i would not reccommend towing another vehicle for any distance with a v6 dakota.

Re: towing with V-6 Dakota [Re: 65rbdodge] #1190540
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If your Dakota has an automatic trans I would be very careful towing with that truck. The trans behind the 3.7L engine is borrowed from the Dodge Intrepid, yes a car trans!! They have a tendency to overheat easily, install an auxillary cooler before towing anything. When that trans gets overheated the torque converter takes it hard.

Re: towing with V-6 Dakota [Re: teflon] #1190541
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Make sure your trailer has good brakes and you put a good brake controller in the truck. You'll be glad you did.

Pulling a trailer is easy. Stopping a trailer safely is the hard part.


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Re: towing with V-6 Dakota [Re: slantzilla] #1190542
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Here's a towing guide... with V6 it looks like 4500-4800 lb rated capacity vs 5500-6000 lb for a typical open trailer.

http://www.dodge.com/towing/D/vehicle_2_...ic+Transmission

Re: towing with V-6 Dakota [Re: teflon] #1190543
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The tranny behind a Intrepid and the 3.7 Dakota trans are very similar in that they both shift automatically, other than that they are very different.

That being said, the dakota trans behind a 3.7 shifts a lot so yes it should be locked in 3rd during anything besides flat land.

I had a 3.9 in my 2000 dakota and it towed just great, I routinely towed up to 6000 lbs and brakeing and handleing even with out a trailer brake was fine (extended cab 4x4 long bed) power on the other hand was puny but not as puny as the 18 wheelers I would pass on the mountain passes. Mine would get around 15 towing on the highway and 20 on the highway empty, I was never one to push my luck and kept the speeds down and did not run wide open up the mountain passes, if you just have to tow in a hurry then no this is not the truck for you but if you are patiant it will be just fine. If you try to keep up with the V8 trucks in the other lane you will suck as much gas as they do, if you drive it like a truck with %75 the power of a V8 your MPG will not be that bad.


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Re: towing with V-6 Dakota [Re: ahy] #1190544
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My trailer has electric brakes. I was going by the load rating supplied with the paper work. Though the 4,500 listed in the link above sounds more in line with my initial expectations. I was very surprised the 7000 lbs rating.

If it wasn't for the $ needed to install the hitch and wiring, I would have tried it already. But I'd rather not spend the money to only find out it can't do it safely.

Hmmm, as usual. Nothing is ever an easy decision.

Re: towing with V-6 Dakota [Re: Valiant_Showoff] #1190545
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Make sure that you use a quality load equalizing hitch and use the bars at all times with that load. Make sure that the brakes are working and apply slightly before the truck brakes. You want the trailer to hold the truck back not the truck stopping the total load.
I used to tow a 2 horse Miley trailer that also had a 4 food dressing/tack room with a generatio 2 4X4 Dakota mostly in the relatively flat eastern Dakotas and also towed an open car trailer. Not a problem but not in a hurry to get places and always left myself room.

Re: towing with V-6 Dakota [Re: HotRodDave] #1190546
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Quote:

The tranny behind a Intrepid and the 3.7 Dakota trans are very similar in that they both shift automatically, other than that they are very different.

That being said, the dakota trans behind a 3.7 shifts a lot so yes it should be locked in 3rd during anything besides flat land.

I had a 3.9 in my 2000 dakota and it towed just great, I routinely towed up to 6000 lbs and brakeing and handleing even with out a trailer brake was fine (extended cab 4x4 long bed) power on the other hand was puny but not as puny as the 18 wheelers I would pass on the mountain passes. Mine would get around 15 towing on the highway and 20 on the highway empty, I was never one to push my luck and kept the speeds down and did not run wide open up the mountain passes, if you just have to tow in a hurry then no this is not the truck for you but if you are patiant it will be just fine. If you try to keep up with the V8 trucks in the other lane you will suck as much gas as they do, if you drive it like a truck with %75 the power of a V8 your MPG will not be that bad.




The difference between the Dakota trans nad the Intrepid trans is that the Dakota is rear drive, other than that the are basically the same trans internally. 42LE for the Intrepid, 42RLR for the Dakota.

Re: towing with V-6 Dakota [Re: teflon] #1190547
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Whelp, after doing a lot more research it's time to clean up the Dakota for sale and to start looking for a used full size.

Anyone near Ohio need a 4x4 Dakota ?

Re: towing with V-6 Dakota [Re: Valiant_Showoff] #1190548
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Whoa, 180 degree turn!

With fuel prices going up you should do really good unloading your V6 and picking up a V8 for cheap.


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