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WOW!!! Is she HOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG! #998808
05/24/11 12:17 AM
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1971 Charger Superbee w 383 - 69,xxx original mile engine.
NEW radiator.
New hoses.
New thermostat.
New water pump.
New coolant.
Original shroud.
Original fan.
No clutch fan - direct drive fan.
Two years ago (Sep 2009) - we made it 1,000 mile round trip to St. Louis for Monster Mopar Weekend. No cooling problems.

Come home and back in the hive the Bee goes. Drive it a time or two and then in Sep 2010 I drive it to work and on the way home, the temp gauge reaches "uncomfortable".... (YOU KNOW - that white mark on the temp gauge to the far right?)

Today I take it out for a drive (88 degrees outside) and this happens:

Going...



going...



going..



Gone...



Thermostat Housing:



Top of Radiator:



Bottom of Radiator:



WHY IS IT OVERHEATING WITH EVERYTHING "NEW"? (2 years old)

Help......

Last edited by WyleECoyote; 05/24/11 12:31 AM.

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Re: WOW!!! Is she HOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG! [Re: WyleECoyote] #998809
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Stuck or partly stuck stat


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Re: WOW!!! Is she HOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG! [Re: RapidRobert] #998810
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Bad fan clutch

Re: WOW!!! Is she HOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG! [Re: PowerWagonDude] #998811
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No clutch fan. Direct drive. Thank you for the comment.


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Re: WOW!!! Is she HOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG! [Re: WyleECoyote] #998812
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Even though the water pump is new....is it any good?


Was the impeller pressed on the correct amount ?

And perhaps worth pulling the thermostat out and sticking it in boiling water (or close that is) to make sure it is opening, and opening fully...

Re: WOW!!! Is she HOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG! [Re: WyleECoyote] #998813
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Quote:

New hoses.




Does the lower hose have the spring in it to prevent it from collapsing from the pump suction?

Re: WOW!!! Is she HOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG! [Re: WyleECoyote] #998814
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Lean...


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Re: WOW!!! Is she HOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG! [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #998815
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Quote:

Lean...




Or timing ?

Re: WOW!!! Is she HOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG! [Re: WyleECoyote] #998816
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air pocket in the block???

Re: WOW!!! Is she HOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG! [Re: Alaskan_TA] #998817
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I THINK (assume) good water pump.
Welded on impeller.

Spring in lower hose.


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Re: WOW!!! Is she HOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG! [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #998818
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Quote:

Lean...




Now of this were a Japanese car the proper response would be.... Rean..


"The Armies of our ancestors were lucky, in that they were not trailed by a second army of pencil pushers."
Re: WOW!!! Is she HOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG! [Re: OzHemi] #998819
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Timing hasn't changed since the 1,000 mile trip to St. Louis. Runs like a scaled dog - no valve chatter - real powerhouse! Starts with the touch of the key hot or cold.


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Re: WOW!!! Is she HOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG! [Re: WyleECoyote] #998820
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if you don't have leaks
then something almost has to be restricting flow
start simple at the thermostat
i would check or replace that first
the rad could of gottin clogged by crud left in the engine
flushing it would be my next move
let it run and watch it over heat
is the rad cap any good?
clues will stick out if you are observant

Re: WOW!!! Is she HOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG! [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #998821
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Quote:

Quote:

Lean...




Now of this were a Japanese car the proper response would be.... Rean..




Ha ha! Very funny to me! My first wife (1 of 4) is Korean. I was stationed there in Korea for 3 years. I always told the lady's my name was "Earl".........

They would try to repeat it as ELLR - or ELRL - or ELLL - they would get SOOO tongue tied!!

ANYWAYS... (back from memory lane...) I still have a dang hot Bee!!! WHY?????


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Re: WOW!!! Is she HOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG! [Re: flypaper] #998822
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Quote:

if you don't have leaks
then something almost has to be restricting flow
start simple at the thermostat
i would check or replace that first
the rad could of gottin clogged by crud left in the engine
flushing it would be my next move
let it run and watch it over heat
is the rad cap any good?
clues will stick out if you are observant




I rented the pressure test kit thingy from Advance Auto. System pressure tested to 17lbs and held for 2 hours. Radiator cap passed at 17lbs.

I have not tried flushing to see if crud came from engine. GREAT idea and watch it overheat. WILL do tomorrow. THANK YOU!


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Re: WOW!!! Is she HOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG! [Re: WyleECoyote] #998823
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Remove the radiator cap and let it warm up. You should see a LOT of water moving through the radiator when the thermostat opens. If you don't see much water moving, it's likely your stat isn't opening.

DAMHIK


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Re: WOW!!! Is she HOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG! [Re: WyleECoyote] #998824
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Theres a 33 degree difference of temp after passing through the radiator, so it appears that the radiator is doing its job.

Re: WOW!!! Is she HOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG! [Re: Kern Dog] #998825
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What kinda stat are you using? What temperature? Just because its new doesnt mean it works. I bought the Napa Premium as well as the MOROSO / Mr. Gasket type. Both 160º. I bench tested them both and the NAPA opened at 157º and full port at 165º. The MOROSO/Mr. G style began to open at 172º and was full port by 185º...You can't trust any of them really.

I paid $12 for one 10 years ago and my engine was hitting 170º all day along in traffic and the freeway. 22" 4-core Radiator + Shroud, High Volume Water pump (cast iron), 7 blade fan + Hayden clutch. All timed and dialed in. 10:1.

I can't seem to find a decent stat anymore. She runs close to 185º all day now (given I am in a different region of the world but the weather is the same)

A trick I used to do on my Slant 6 Dart was open three 1/8" holes in a triangular formation on the surrounding area of the stat, chamfer the holes on both sides. My dart was riding 180º all day with a 180º Stant Stat


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Re: WOW!!! Is she HOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG! [Re: hooziewhatsit] #998826
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Quote:

Remove the radiator cap and let it warm up. You should see a LOT of water moving through the radiator when the thermostat opens. If you don't see much water moving, it's likely your stat isn't opening.

DAMHIK




I'll give this a try at lunch time! Thanks for the idea.

Re: WOW!!! Is she HOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG! [Re: Pyper70] #998827
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A trick I used to do on my Slant 6 Dart was open three 1/8" holes in a triangular formation on the surrounding area of the stat, chamfer the holes on both sides. My dart was riding 180º all day with a 180º Stant Stat




I'll do what hoozie suggested and check the flow in the radiator. If I have no flow, out comes the thermostat, I'll bench test it AGAIN and WHATEVER goes back in (another new one or the current one that works) WILL have 3 holes in it! What size holes? 1/8th inch?


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