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3.3 water pump ? #998653
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2003 Caravan ..... anything uNusual to look out for ? I heard somewhere you need a special tool for the serp belt ...what is the time factor in a R&R ? .... what is the most reasonably priced lifetime pump ? ... AZ ?

Re: 3.3 water pump ? [Re: dIc dOc Deity !] #998654
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Re: 3.3 water pump ? [Re: dIc dOc Deity !] #998655
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Real easy to do, no special tools required for the serp belt, they are available and can make it just a tad easier but definately not a "need".


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Re: 3.3 water pump ? [Re: HotRodDave] #998656
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How about the other Q's Dave ?

Re: 3.3 water pump ? [Re: dIc dOc Deity !] #998657
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`03 is a rear mount pump, and while not really hard, not as easy as `00 back.
The bolted on pulley has cutouts in it to slide over the pump drive, the pulley and pump have to come out and go in together as there is not enough room between the pump and frame rail to get the pulley off seperately.
Depending on engine placement you will probably have to slightly pry the engine towards the driver side for the pump to clear.
The tensioner rquires a 1/2" square drive, not enough room for a normal ratchet so it has to be thin. If you get creative, it can be done with a pry bar.
All has to be done from the bottom, wheel off, splash shield off.

Rick

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Hay Rick .. would a 1/2" breaker-bar fit on the tensioner ? Also ... I hear that the pass side motor mount should be uNconnected ...and the motor dropped down slightly ... ??

Re: 3.3 water pump ? [Re: dIc dOc Deity !] #998659
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Hay Rick .. would a 1/2" breaker-bar fit on the tensioner ? Also ... I hear that the pass side motor mount should be uNconnected ...and the motor dropped down slightly ... ??




Doubtfull on the breaker bar, unless it is real thin..You only have maybe a inch in that area.

I`m cheap so rather than buy the trick ratcheting ones, I made my own out of 1/2 square stock and a piece of 3/16 x 1" flat stock.

I personally don`t take the mount loose..that is taking WAY more off than needed...I never even open the hood until I refill it.

Rick

Re: 3.3 water pump ? [Re: Blown71X] #998660
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Hay Rick .. would a 1/2" breaker-bar fit on the tensioner ? Also ... I hear that the pass side motor mount should be uNconnected ...and the motor dropped down slightly ... ??




Doubtfull on the breaker bar, unless it is real thin..You only have maybe a inch in that area.

I`m cheap so rather than buy the trick ratcheting ones, I made my own out of 1/2 square stock and a piece of 3/16 x 1" flat stock.

I personally don`t take the mount loose..that is taking WAY more off than needed...I never even open the hood until I refill it.

Rick





Thats how I do them. All from the bottom.
And be very carefull not to break off the bolts holding the water pump on! If they dont want to come out, A little heat on the housing helps.

IIRC they pay around 1.7 hours to do.

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Re: 3.3 water pump ? [Re: Todd] #998661
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THX guyz .....

So does that tensioner/idler for-sure have that 1/2" hex hole ? ... I was told by AZ that the 03 did not have one. ... ???

So is the AZ pump the plan? .. from the quality and warranty stand-point ?

What I am trying to do is get all my ducks in row before I start on this minor project.

Re: 3.3 water pump ? [Re: dIc dOc Deity !] #998662
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What I am trying to do is get all my ducks in row before I start on this minor project.




regardless of what you have heard, you'll never be able to get ALL the ducks lined up. very short attention spans and when you herd them on one side, they scatter to the other

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You can do it with a wrench also.

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Re: 3.3 water pump ? [Re: Todd] #998664
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THX Todd ... I have never even had the splash shield off yet to eyeball this myself. And the Chilton manual I have is not a whole lot of help either ....

Re: 3.3 water pump ? [Re: dIc dOc Deity !] #998665
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I use the wrench method, a thin breaker bar can also be used, tight fit but I have one I got from GM good wrench that works, barely, I would imagine it could be imposible with the motor or sheet metal slightly shifted either direction.

Warranty time is 1.5 hours.

I don't know enough about the quality of different aftermarket brands to say if AZ has a good one or not, they all change vendors and re-builders so fast it is hard to say what you will get. I would just get the cheapest NEW pump I could find unless the price differance was HUGE then I would get a lifetime reman

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Re: 3.3 water pump ? [Re: Todd] #998666
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put a 3/4" wrench on the tensioner as shown to loosen the belt.

I take the pulley bolts out of the pump then use a prybar on the upper mount to push the engine towards the drivers side ( slightly as you don't need but maybe 1/2" at the most )
The pulley will drop out, then remove pump as normal.

Be very carefull, those little water pump bolts are notorious to break off in the hsg.

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BE CAREFUL with those little bolts ? ....since I don't think you can get an impact gun in there ..... your suggestion would be what? ...and if one of them breaks off ... will that O-ring still seal OK ?

Re: 3.3 water pump ? [Re: dIc dOc Deity !] #998668
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Doc the pump I got from Advanced had a Mopar sticker on it.It was a new one.Ive had a few on the bolts stuck.I just work them back and forth real easy with some good penatrating oil sprayed on them.They always come out with some paitiance.I always use antisieze when I reinstall them.I always get a new pump when I replace them.For the little they cost remans arent worth it.Rocky


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Rust penetrant and one of those small torchs are your friends.

If the bolt feels real tight,,,, STOP. warm up the area around said bolt and spray some penetrant on it. let it sit and try again.

SOME will still break and they have to be driled out and tapped.
It will leak if you leave one out thinking the O-ring will seal it, trust me

Re: 3.3 water pump ? [Re: gtx6970] #998670
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Not sure if this helps, I changed one on a 3.3 in our Dynasty, it was one of the easier pumps, time-wise, to do. My first east-west pump change and it went well.

BE patient with it!! Hope it works out ok.


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THX guyz ....all I have done on this so-far on a V6 is change the oil and filter. JUST trying to have all my "bases" covered as well as possible.

Worst case .... if one of those bolts break ... what kind of a process is it to remove the housing from the block ? ...and would it be better to remove the whole combo from the block instead of the pump alone?

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Not sure if this helps, I changed one on a 3.3 in our Dynasty, it was one of the easier pumps, time-wise, to do. My first east-west pump change and it went well.




Unfortunally this doesn`t count in this case, After 2000 they moved the pump to the rear (or right for you north/south guys) and with it being right next to the frame rail it adds a level of difficulty....The old front mounts were a piece of cake

Rick

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