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Re: Warped trans steels, what caused this ????? PICS
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Slipping clutch, the clutches don't look bad??? The clutches not holding caused those steels to warp like that. Clutches are GARBAGE , use the Hi energy clutches as a replacement if you haven't already bought the rebuild kit.
edit ... looking at the picture I see the rear clutch stack in the back ground , that's the front clutch , this was probably caused by the front drum having the inner piston seal cut too deep , there is a wider replacement seal to remedy this , it comes in the seal kit , if it doesn't specifically get one and use it.
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Re: Warped trans steels, what caused this ????? PICS
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I bought the truck with the trans already bad. I think I found the problem. The output shaft is seized at the sprag. Took tailshaft off and the output shaft will not move by hand. Had to put channel locks on it to turn it and still is extremely tight. Also can't get the rear drum off, band is loose but drum won't come off.
The lube circuit is plugged up the rear support is lubed by the fluid that runs into it from the rear line, when that clogs that is what happens . There is a modified rear support made by Sonnax that has modified lube paths for the mainshaft and the drum, you are going to have to force the thing apart and replace the mainshaft, the support and the rear drum.
Sonnax has 2 supports, one upgrade part # 22754N-01K and one with a larger OOD on the surface that the drum rides on so you and bore out the ID of the drum because they are expensive to replace, part # 22754N-02K
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Re: Warped trans steels, what caused this ????? PICS
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05/19/11 09:36 PM
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you had better repair the check ball in the trans line up by the radiator or you will tear up the support again as the lube circuit to the support and intermediate shaft gets cut off by a stuck check ball in the line also check for good cooler flow..better yet remove the check ball and put a full time lube kit in the valve body
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Re: Warped trans steels, what caused this ????? PICS
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you had better repair the check ball in the trans line up by the radiator or you will tear up the support again as the lube circuit to the support and intermediate shaft gets cut off by a stuck check ball in the line also check for good cooler flow..better yet remove the check ball and put a full time lube kit in the valve body
Good point , if the converter wasn't the source of the trash that clogged the cooler circuit it's possible that the rubber line with the check ball failed .
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Re: Warped trans steels, what caused this ????? PICS
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usually found right where the lines turn from steel to rubber before the radiator cooler its part of the connector right at the steel line. it disconnects right there and you can see the check ball inside the connector. the full time lube really helps vehicles with remote starters keep from burning up front pump bushings and associated parts
70 cuda 440 6bbl Auto with a dana 60
68 road runner QQ1 383 auto
1970 6 barrel 4 speed Superbird FY1 number matching
15 Challenger 6.4 SRT pearl White 6 Speed
72 Cuda 440 5 speed
71 Road Runner 440 4 speed
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Re: Warped trans steels, what caused this ????? PICS
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05/21/11 03:39 PM
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Where in the line is the check ball located? I traced the lines from the trans to the radiator and can't seem to find it. Also what does it look like?
Below is a pic of the check valve line; top is factory original, bottom is replacement.
The factory installed the check valve to prevent the cooler from draining back into the transmission through the converter. In older days the cooler was mounted in the bottom radiator tank near the level of the transmission but the newer crossflow radiators with side tanks place the cooler above the level of the transmission.
Removing the check valve might require placing the shifter in Neutral for the first start of the day.
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Re: Warped trans steels, what caused this ????? PICS
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Where in the line is the check ball located? I traced the lines from the trans to the radiator and can't seem to find it. Also what does it look like?
Below is a pic of the check valve line; top is factory original, bottom is replacement.
The factory installed the check valve to prevent the cooler from draining back into the transmission through the converter. In older days the cooler was mounted in the bottom radiator tank near the level of the transmission but the newer crossflow radiators with side tanks place the cooler above the level of the transmission.
Removing the check valve might require placing the shifter in Neutral for the first start of the day.
Hmm, this may explain my wife's 05 Ram's trans. Take it a bit to get going when you put it in gear. Bet the check valve is stuck open letting the converter drain back. So, where does one get the "good" check valve?
Probably not the check ball sticking , later rams seems to have the drainback issue as delivered from the factory , tell her to start it , pop it into neutral and wait a minute , should be all set to go .
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