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Re: TTI's, Remflex Gaskets and Torsion bar hitting header
[Re: moparrulzzz]
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05/16/11 04:28 AM
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If you do dimple it, won't it be hidden by the TB?
1970 Plymouth 'Cuda #'s 440-6(block in storage)currently 493" 6 pack, Shaker, 5 speed Passon, 4.10's
1968 Plymouth Barracuda Convertible 408 Magnum EFI with 4 speed automatic overdrive, 3800 stall lock-up converter and 4.30's (closest thing to an automatic 5 speed going)
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Re: TTI's, Remflex Gaskets and Torsion bar hitting header
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05/17/11 12:05 AM
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You'll get about a 1/4" of sag out of that right mount in a couple of months. 
I doubt it with poly-loc's
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I have the Schumacher Poly Lock mounts
Uh, I have Schumacher Poly Lock mounts and after a couple months and maybe 20 passes down the track, I had to make some shims for my sagged right side mount to keep the oil pan (aftermarket) off the centerlink. My next move will be to solids.
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Re: TTI's, Remflex Gaskets and Torsion bar hitting header
[Re: moparrulzzz]
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05/18/11 04:14 AM
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They are now thinking maybe a 440 flange was welded to a 383 set of pipes.
This doesn't sound right. The 383 and 440 use the same heads, same exhaust port sizes, same bolt pattern....
ALL the headers individual pipes make a 90 degree bend toward the flange, so the flange itself has no angle. They are separate pieces with a flat face.
I have heard of several cases where the header manufacturers are adamant that their products are NOT to blame for fitment issues.
YOUR car has worn motor mounts.
YOUR car must have been in a wreck.
YOU must not know what you are doing.
YOUR car has power steering, an automatic OR a 4 speed, Your radio is too loud. The instructions are in Spanish.......
NO company wants to admit that their products are faulty.
I have a friend that is trying to install Hedmans in a 73 Dart 360. Fitment problems galore on the drivers side. Customer service was of no help.
The TTI pipes are some of the best made, so to have problems with them means that something IS amiss here. If the engine is mounted correctly, the trans mount bolts up as it should, the car has never been wrecked, the torsion bar isn't bent, the lower control arm bushing isnt shredded, (Allowing the LCA to shift away from its correct position)Then...... maybe the header WAS built wrong.
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Re: TTI's, Remflex Gaskets and Torsion bar hitting header
[Re: pishta]
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05/18/11 02:55 PM
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"This doesn't sound right. The 383 and 440 use the same heads, same exhaust port sizes, same bolt pattern...."
An RB block sets the heads farther up and significantly wider out than a B motor.
The 440 is an RB = raised block, so the heads do sit farther away from the crank centerline. That can make a measurable difference in the length of pipe drop needed to get them down and away from the torsion bar in some applications, like B & E bodies.
The flange and shapes of the tubes coming out of the head are the same for 383 & 440, but the tube drop length to the collector is different. The collector essencially sits lower than a 383 collector on some brands, like TTI's. The amount lower is roughly equal to the difference in the blocks between RB's & B blocks.
Last edited by jbc426; 05/18/11 03:01 PM.
1970 Plymouth 'Cuda #'s 440-6(block in storage)currently 493" 6 pack, Shaker, 5 speed Passon, 4.10's
1968 Plymouth Barracuda Convertible 408 Magnum EFI with 4 speed automatic overdrive, 3800 stall lock-up converter and 4.30's (closest thing to an automatic 5 speed going)
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Re: TTI's, Remflex Gaskets and Torsion bar hitting header
[Re: pishta]
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05/18/11 03:06 PM
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Headers can be built specifically for a B or an RB:Case in point. I had a set of Pro-Parts headers that DIDNT fit a 383, but fit a 440 just fine. The 383 hit the header at the pan rail, the 440 didnt. So not all B/RB headers are the same, but should be! The flange MIGHT be specific if the kickout is less (smaller radii for the 90 bend out the port) for a 440 than a 383, that makes a little sense as the 440 head is farther outboard than the 383 and space may be taken into consideration when they design them (a larger radii is always better than a small radii when it comes to bends)
those pro parts on a 383 should have ht the steering also. its close with a 440 and with the lower 383 i would think they would hit.
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Re: TTI's, Remflex Gaskets and Torsion bar hitting header
[Re: jbc426]
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05/18/11 03:19 PM
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"This doesn't sound right. The 383 and 440 use the same heads, same exhaust port sizes, same bolt pattern...."
An RB block sets the heads farther up and significantly wider out than a B motor.
The 440 is an RB = raised block, so the heads do sit farther away from the crank centerline. That can make a measurable difference in the length of pipe drop needed to get them down and away from the torsion bar in some applications, like B & E bodies.
The flange and shapes of the tubes coming out of the head are the same for 383 & 440, but the tube drop length to the collector is different. The collector essencially sits lower than a 383 collector on some brands, like TTI's. The amount lower is roughly equal to the difference in the blocks between RB's & B blocks.
Thanks. I know all of that. MY point was that the 3/8" FLAT flange should be the same for ALL the TTI big block headers. To blame the fitment on the flange isn't sensible. Maybe the OP had a communication misunderstanding with the TTI people. The bends up near the flange would need to be shorter and tighter for the same headers to have the same exact clearance down below.
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Re: TTI's, Remflex Gaskets and Torsion bar hitting header
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05/18/11 06:56 PM
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Yah, I wonder what it will turn out to really be.
1970 Plymouth 'Cuda #'s 440-6(block in storage)currently 493" 6 pack, Shaker, 5 speed Passon, 4.10's
1968 Plymouth Barracuda Convertible 408 Magnum EFI with 4 speed automatic overdrive, 3800 stall lock-up converter and 4.30's (closest thing to an automatic 5 speed going)
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