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1970 Plymouth Sport Fury 383 EFI, now adding twin T3's #988860
05/09/11 02:55 PM
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Car has had OD for several years, went EFI in early 2009:
http://www.theturboforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=119842.0

This is an abridged version of the nearly complete build from tmf:

been learning with that and learning to be a daddy since then. Now it's time to pressurize the intake. Going to use my turbocoupe T3 60 trim .63 a/r's and hope for a very responsive street car that doesn't choke too bad to 5000rpm. Will be using twin turbosmart 38's instead of any internal gates, both for packaging and for hopefully better control/less choking.

AF helps me get a good flange on the rv/van manifolds


Big Brown Truck


AF and Shaun got me out of a jam helping to bust the turbine housings free and get the broken off bolts out:



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On the bracket for first test fit



Dang, that's higher than I expected it to be....


I made a very simple bracket that put the turbo in a great place in free space, but it's too high, the pipe from the mani would be right at the hood with it closed. This is with 3" radius 2.25" pipe.



It's almost like Plymouth thought a turbo should sit right there :2thumbs: But it looks like I may need to extend that cutout several inches further back. Also looks like I need to either cut and bend down or trim off some of the lower part of the inner well for the dp to get by the mani. To drop the turbo down it needs to go outboard to avoid the alternator (or I need to relocate the alt). I have room to swing the alt down and use a shorter belt, but I'm a little concerned about belt engagement then, esp if I keep the rv2, it gets tugged pretty hard. Outboard means enlarging that dimple in the well.

Might be able to switch to a 1.5" radius weld ell for the bend, starts to look a little frankenstein with pipe and ell though

Took the day off to work on the car....I'm a slow fabricator, not much to show for 5 hours of work. But, I didn't waste any metal, so that's something I guess.

time for a trim....the air hammer made quick work of it.





Alt may need to move to keep it from burning up. I've got blankets on the way, we'll see. AF and I looked at dropping it way down, but I'd need to redo all the belts then and get the waterpump and ps on the same belt.


was able to drop the turbo down 1.5" or so once I decided I was ok with cutting the well. I've got a couple spares at the shop if for some reason I would go back stock.

First suitcase handle


and as it turns out, room for the WG underneath



A couple questions about the WG, will the diaphragm live in there? I plan on wrapping both the 'handle' and the manifold. Is teeing off a 90* off the beginning of the 'handle' an ok spot? There's no room to go at less than 90*.

Started to look at the dp but ran out of time. Where the turbo is now makes it simpler though, it's ~1' straight shot then hopefully a 45* down and another to get out to the existing pipes.

Another day off work, a little more progress. Both dp's are now complete, but I need to spot weld them together and refit. Also need to add another v band into the driver's side one- in 1 piece it won't go in the car from the top or bottom. I think it would if I put the dp in first, then installed the manifold, then the turbo, but that's a real pain.





dr's side dp


bottom part of the pass dp


CASUALTY!!! Tape came loose on the dp just as I was pulling it up out of the car and chipped the paint. Ugh. There's 2 other chips on that side, and the paint was done in 1999, but it still sucks.


another day, some more mistakes :P


lowered feed pipe


cut a hole and then regretted it, routing the air around the wrong way. I will redo this


and do it like this


Was suggested to try it up here, there's room for it but I think I'd rather keep the package tight


So close to having the hot sides all done, hit a snag getting the driver's side dp aligned that kept me from getting the wg on that side done, but it's close. It all needs to be finish welded, painted, and wrapped of course.

Will this cook the alt with the blanket on?




Pass wg rerouted and wrong hole patched up




driver's side upper down pipe, had to split both down pipes (and of course not in between existing pieces, had to make more cuts to get them located in a place they fit and could be reached) as neither would install as 1 piece into the car from the top or bottom


driver's side lower down pipe




pass side down pipe


The driver's side wg is close, have both holes cut and both pipes cut, just need to do some more trimming to fit them. Then finish weld, including a few joints that need some gaps filled in. I had been hoping to make a May 22nd Mopar show about 10min from my house, not sure that's going to happen.....maybe without the sanden a/c conversion done and the pipes only welded, not painted and wrapped. Having not done and real welding for years, I'm finding myself to be very inconsistent. Some of the stuff I've done on this is very passable, some of it laughable :doh:


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Re: 1970 Plymouth Sport Fury 383 EFI, now adding twin T3's [Re: furious70] #988861
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It's always great to see pics!

If you have a good blanket on (mine cost $200) you can put your hand on it and it will only feel warm.

Re: 1970 Plymouth Sport Fury 383 EFI, now adding twin T3's [Re: furious70] #988862
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Are those the turbos I sent you 30 or 40 years ago?

Personally, I would have kept the internal wastegates in the interest of simplicity. It would have made the installation much easier and cleaner.

Keep going. I plan on turbocharging the Imperial and need to know what not to do.


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Re: 1970 Plymouth Sport Fury 383 EFI, now adding twin T3's [Re: feets] #988863
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lookin' good!!

Re: 1970 Plymouth Sport Fury 383 EFI, now adding twin T3's [Re: Shaker223] #988864
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The blankets are from VSracing, popular vendor on tmf, affordable but supposed to be good.

Yes, they are those silly little turbos. The OEM Ford waste gates would have been even harder to install actually. The turbos would not have fit where I wanted them with the big arm and can off the side, and the tiny wg feed probably would not have done the job. The cast iron downpipe elbow assemblies also clocked everything all wrong. I did look at using some straight off wg actuators and dp flanges, but it was going to take a decent amount of work to fit those as well, and they would have been a performance compromise. So, I decided to spend the effort and money on the best performing solution, and one that I would not have to change if I find these turbos to be radically too small.


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Re: 1970 Plymouth Sport Fury 383 EFI, now adding twin T3's [Re: furious70] #988865
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Like I said, keep going so I'll know what not to do.



It'll be so nice to learn the problems from someone else this time around.


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Re: 1970 Plymouth Sport Fury 383 EFI, now adding twin T3's [Re: feets] #988866
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gettin there.....





Hot sides are all done and ready to be finish welded, going to 'let' Shaun do that so that it looks decent and stays together.

Cold side is almost done, need to do 1 more 3" bend into the TB







Might try to find another turbocoupe outlet hose to put over the right pipe to make it look more symmetrical, will paint them all black as well. Got the oil feeds in and the drains mocked up. Still working on what to do with the alt, need to find some 1/4" stock to drop it and not worry about it deflecting. I'm ready to be done working on it and driving it instead :2thumbs:


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Re: 1970 Plymouth Sport Fury 383 EFI, now adding twin T3's [Re: furious70] #988867
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Looks awesome, great cruiser.
How about some pics of the car?

Re: 1970 Plymouth Sport Fury 383 EFI, now adding twin T3's [Re: 68KillerBee] #988868
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Re: 1970 Plymouth Sport Fury 383 EFI, now adding twin T3's [Re: furious70] #988869
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Quote:






It's gonna suck having to drag that jack and all the wood around with you.


Quote:






Needs more doors!


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Re: 1970 Plymouth Sport Fury 383 EFI, now adding twin T3's [Re: feets] #988870
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That's a nice car. I think I have seen it at the Nats. I really like those two door 70/71 Furys.

Re: 1970 Plymouth Sport Fury 383 EFI, now adding twin T3's [Re: pinkduster] #988871
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Thanks! I've had it out to the nats twice


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Re: 1970 Plymouth Sport Fury 383 EFI, now adding twin T3's [Re: furious70] #988872
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nice ride

Re: 1970 Plymouth Sport Fury 383 EFI, now adding twin T3's [Re: buck440] #988873
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Re: 1970 Plymouth Sport Fury 383 EFI, now adding twin T3's [Re: buck440] #988874
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Small pic, but it looks like you've got great taste too!

Pipes are finish welded and painted with 2000* paint. We were in Alaska for a couple weeks so I haven't been working on the car.


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Re: 1970 Plymouth Sport Fury 383 EFI, now adding twin T3's [Re: furious70] #988875
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thanks i saved her from the junkyard bout ten years ago still wears original paisley top and paint.

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quite of few of those gran coupes seem to have survived. I have one as a parts car, it got smucked in the front pretty hard, ruined the hideaway setup, but it's got 1 good fender, good doors, glass, most of the 1/4's, etc, so I keep it around as an insurance policy.


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Re: 1970 Plymouth Sport Fury 383 EFI, now adding twin T3's [Re: furious70] #988877
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would'nt happen to have a paisley bench seat in good condition would you in a light brown

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It has a bench, I'll have to look at it for condition though.


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Re: 1970 Plymouth Sport Fury 383 EFI, now adding twin T3's [Re: furious70] #988879
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cool i would be very interested

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