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Re: Which is harder on an engine? [Re: desomod] #986698
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It seems you would have to use quite a bit of starting fluid to do harm to the cylinder walls.
The all a pain in the a** with the shaker setup to even see the carbs!




x 2 .... NO harm on the cyl walls uNless you empty the whole can in there.

With your combo ... just get an electric fuel pump and fill-the carbs with a flick of a switch ..

Re: Which is harder on an engine? [Re: mickm] #986699
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A guy stated once (on here) that starting fluid is extremely harmful and he explained why (dont remem what he said) & called it "liquid sand in a can".




I was hoping someone would bring this up...........old schoolers I know call it "very caustic" and generally discourage the use of it if you don't have to.




that is what i have heard as well.

i just have a little glass bottle filled with gas, and dump a bit down the carbs before firing it if it has sat for a while. that at least gets an initial few seconds of running and primes the carbs. then i don't have to crank nearly as much to get it going.



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Re: Which is harder on an engine? [Re: RapidRobert] #986700
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A guy stated once (on here) that starting fluid is extremely harmful and he explained why (dont remem what he said) & called it "liquid sand in a can".




It's a very strong degreaser so yeah, it will wash the oil off and if used excesively can be a problem.

But seriously, one or two quick bursts arent going to cause a problem.
It's when people give a big long spray of it that you can get a problem. It also evaporates very quick so used in a small quantity it's suspended in the air in large part I would think.

A couple quick shots of gas is a great "alternative" solution!

Re: Which is harder on an engine? [Re: POS Dakota] #986701
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It's a very strong degreaser so yeah, it will wash the oil off and if used excesively can be a problem.

But seriously, one or two quick bursts arent going to cause a problem.


Yeah that's what I thought but w the poster being adament about it & the way he worded it he made it sound like it was the Devils' tool & you can for sure believe every opinion you read on the 'net


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Re: Which is harder on an engine? [Re: RapidRobert] #986702
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Starting fluid isn't for starting motors, along with a match it's used for seating tire beads to rims.

Re: Which is harder on an engine? [Re: dOc !] #986703
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Thanks for the input. On my other car with a Holly carb, it's no problem to fill the bowl through the vent with a little funnel. On the Carter (Eddy) carbs, there is no place to do that without pulling the top of the carb off.





I use a contact lens solution bottle to fill the vent tube on the primary side. Works good, though I can't say how it is on an edelbrock.

Re: Which is harder on an engine? [Re: B5 Bee] #986704
05/07/11 10:59 AM
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Starting fluid isn't for starting motors, along with a match it's used for seating tire beads to rims.




Wrong. Its for anesthetising (sp) Spiders. Knock them out, play with them, then let them come to.

They never look at you the same afterwards though....

Re: Which is harder on an engine? [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #986705
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Starting fluid isn't for starting motors, along with a match it's used for seating tire beads to rims.




Wrong. Its for anesthetising (sp) Spiders. Knock them out, play with them, then let them come to.

They never look at you the same afterwards though....




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Re: Which is harder on an engine? [Re: dOc !] #986706
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Starting fluid isn't for starting motors, along with a match it's used for seating tire beads to rims.




Wrong. Its for anesthetising (sp) Spiders. Knock them out, play with them, then let them come to.

They never look at you the same afterwards though....




NOT a whole lot TO DO in WA ...when it is raining ...HUH ? ..




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Re: Which is harder on an engine? [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #986707
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One time we had a wasp pestering us as we worked on a car. I went to the work bench to see if we had any thing to kill it with. Starting fluid knocked him right out of the sky. Didn't even kick his legs after he hit the concrete. If he had I would have thrown a match at him.


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Re: Which is harder on an engine? [Re: GomangoCuda] #986708
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I have an Eddie on my 72 440 motor and I started the car every three weeks or so all winter long without an issue ever..Pump the pedal once or twice and it fired...Im talking zero degree days too..


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Re: Which is harder on an engine? [Re: 72N96RR] #986709
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I have an Eddie on my 72 440 motor and I started the car every three weeks or so all winter long without an issue ever..Pump the pedal once or twice and it fired...Im talking zero degree days too..




Not allot of evaporation taking place on a zero degree day... This was much less of an issue when we had real gasoline... The needs of a carburated vehicle are not given an thought when blending the formulations used today...


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Re: Which is harder on an engine? [Re: GomangoCuda] #986710
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One time we had a wasp pestering us as we worked on a car. I went to the work bench to see if we had any thing to kill it with. Starting fluid knocked him right out of the sky. Didn't even kick his legs after he hit the concrete. If he had I would have thrown a match at him.




.... I wonder if this would work against a 64PEST ?

Re: Which is harder on an engine? [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #986711
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I have an Eddie on my 72 440 motor and I started the car every three weeks or so all winter long without an issue ever..Pump the pedal once or twice and it fired...Im talking zero degree days too..




Not allot of evaporation taking place on a zero degree day... This was much less of an issue when we had real gasoline... The needs of a carburated vehicle are not given an thought when blending the formulations used today...




You nailed it with the REAL GAS comment..


1972 Road Runner / GTX 440 4spd Dana 3.54 Just about to turn 26K original miles..

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If they come back it means nobody else wanted them either..!!
Re: Which is harder on an engine? [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #986712
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Re: Which is harder on an engine? [Re: 67_Satellite] #986713
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I installed an accusump to pre lube. turn the valve before starting. Close the valve after a ten seconds. Then start. After it is running open the valve to refill the bottle then close it for next time.


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Re: Which is harder on an engine? [Re: desomod] #986714
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The solution to the perculating/leaking flat fuel bowled Eddy carbs is an electric fuel pump.
I added a cheap carter electric pump in series with a carter mechanical pump years ago.
Turn on the engine hit the prime switch until you hear the fuel pump noise change and hit the starter.
The 440 then starts like it was fuel injected.
Eliminated the hard hot starts and the cold hard starts.
An electric fuel pump covers up many carb design faults.

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