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440source flywheel on external balance 360LA?? #985745
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Does anybody know if the flywheel 440source sells here

http://store.440source.com/1045-Billet-Steel-Flywheel-New/productinfo/113-1014/

works on a 360 LA cast crank motor with external balance? I have the flywheel already from a previous build, and it came with a bolt on weight for external balance, or take the weight off for neutral balance. In their description it says that it works for both big and small blocks, and when I asked 440source they said it should work with the weight they provided, however, i have heard conflicting info since the balance weights of 440's and 360's are different...however, this link makes me think it should work since they list 440 cast 6 bolts and the 360LA cast crank flywheels as the same

http://www.americanpowertrain.com/Mopar/transmissions/flywheel.html

Has anybody tried this to know for sure? I really don't have the money to buy another flywheel right now, and didnt even think this would be an issue

Re: 440source flywheel on external balance 360LA?? [Re: mshred] #985746
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In the 440source ad it says the flywheel is very similar to this mopar one, which says good for small block and big block external balance...anyone have any experience with this flywheel, seems to be a copy
http://www.jegs.com/i/Mopar+Performance/312/P4529142/10002/-1

Re: 440source flywheel on external balance 360LA?? [Re: mshred] #985747
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I wondered this myself, as I was in the market for a 360 flywheel too. I was told that the balance between a cast crank 400/440 is different than a 360. I believe a 360 is "off" balance more.

The MP flywheels are now on backorder I think, but I was able to get one a few months ago.

Re: 440source flywheel on external balance 360LA?? [Re: 440newport] #985748
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This pic says a 400/440 cast flywheel is off by 12.9 in-oz.

6616222-440flywheel.jpg (859 downloads)
Re: 440source flywheel on external balance 360LA?? [Re: 440newport] #985749
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And the 360 is 19.79in-oz.

So it would appear the 400/440 weight isn't heavy enough.

6616226-360flywheel.jpg (793 downloads)
Re: 440source flywheel on external balance 360LA?? [Re: 440newport] #985750
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this is where I find things odd...mopar lists it for both, so does 440source (seems like a copycat flywheel) and american powertrain lists theirs for both as well. But then the diagrams in the mopar books that you posted show them as different.Unless there is another bolt on weight that I didnt get that is for smallblocks, then im confused as to what to do. Almost seems like false advertising on more than one companies part lol

The engine is already together so i can't really go balancing it as an assembly. Low budget stock bottom end 360LA with a summit stock replacement external balancer and this flywheel. I was hoping the weight 440source provided would be enough since thats what they told me to.


has anybody else besides me and 440newport used or thought of using this flywheel in a cast crank 360 application???

Re: 440source flywheel on external balance 360LA?? [Re: mshred] #985751
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I haven't used any of the flywheels mentioned, and MP is more and more a commercial deal than a gear head one so the info there is suspect.

As you have found out, the amount of imbalance is different. You can adjust the amount of imbalance one of two ways. More eight in the same spot, or the same weight in a different spot. Like a teeter totter, the farther away from center the weight is the more effect it has. It may be that these flywheels you mention have more than one spot to mount the weight?


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I haven't used any of the flywheels mentioned, and MP is more and more a commercial deal than a gear head one so the info there is suspect.

As you have found out, the amount of imbalance is different. You can adjust the amount of imbalance one of two ways. More eight in the same spot, or the same weight in a different spot. Like a teeter totter, the farther away from center the weight is the more effect it has. It may be that these flywheels you mention have more than one spot to mount the weight?




well in looking at the picture i posted of the source flywheel, it does look like there are multiple bolt holes, but im not sure if they are just for the pressure plate or for the weight to be mounted in different spots. Id have to bolt up a pressure plate and see what I get

Re: 440source flywheel on external balance 360LA?? [Re: mshred] #985753
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I used the 440 source flywheel on a 70 Cuda 440 6 Pak. I found that this flywheel appeared to be the same as one sold by McCleod. The difference is, that McCleod sells different weights for the different engines, and they also have a diagram in their site, that shows which pair of holes to put the weight in. So I bought the proper weight from Mccleod, and all is right with the world now ! Or, at least this six Pak doesn't shake !


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Re: 440source flywheel on external balance 360LA?? [Re: doctor_mopar] #985754
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maybe it's a case of "good enough for factory production" since they didn't weigh and balance every engine anyway, and just put them all together as-is.


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brewers performance has 360 flywheels,and they actually know what they are talking about. i trust them more than the chinese made crap,for a proper install...call them! they are sponsors here on moparts

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Can you post the link for the diagram page. I found the page that lists the different weights but could not find the diagram.

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It has been a few years since I installed the flywheel. I just looked at their site, and did not find the diagram. it may have been in their paper catalog, or with the weight. Or maybe the A and B positions are on the flywheel. You will need to call and ask them. I remember it was a simple matter to install.

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I used the 440 source flywheel on a 70 Cuda 440 6 Pak. I found that this flywheel appeared to be the same as one sold by McCleod. The difference is, that McCleod sells different weights for the different engines, and they also have a diagram in their site, that shows which pair of holes to put the weight in. So I bought the proper weight from Mccleod, and all is right with the world now ! Or, at least this six Pak doesn't shake !




This sounds ideal. I think I may call Mcleod and see if they can send me the weight I need and the part number for it



Im not going to go buy another flywheel from brewers if i already have this one...and for those who want to knock it as "cheap chinese junk" well, it balanced out when i checked it before (internal) and it looks to be a quality peice.

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I used the 440 source flywheel on a 70 Cuda 440 6 Pak. I found that this flywheel appeared to be the same as one sold by McCleod. The difference is, that McCleod sells different weights for the different engines, and they also have a diagram in their site, that shows which pair of holes to put the weight in. So I bought the proper weight from Mccleod, and all is right with the world now ! Or, at least this six Pak doesn't shake !




This sounds ideal. I think I may call Mcleod and see if they can send me the weight I need and the part number for it



Im not going to go buy another flywheel from brewers if i already have this one...and for those who want to knock it as "cheap chinese junk" well, it balanced out when i checked it before (internal) and it looks to be a quality peice.



sorry for the chinese crack,BUT brewers also sell service!!!THATS where the difference is! either call them,OR look on the website. i think they have pics of flys...good luck....oh didnt the direct connection engine,or chassis "bible" have dimensions and cuts for flywheels?

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McLeod weights are bolt on, you would need to know where to drill and place the weight. Brewers can balance your wheel for 360 cast crank for $35.


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Re: 440source flywheel on external balance 360LA?? [Re: mshred] #985761
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I see Brewers sells McCleod flywheels and balance weights. Just call them, the weight will be cheaper from them, and you will get information quicker .


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I see Brewers sells McCleod flywheels and balance weights. Just call them, the weight will be cheaper from them, and you will get information quicker .




Thanks for the info and pm

I will call them tommorow and see what I figure out. Hopefully that weight can mount in the same spot that the previous weight did as there are only two mounting points for weight on the back of my 440source wheel (just looked today) and they are right beside eachother. Hopefully I can figure this out...I will report back what I find

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Two mounting spots is how the one I installed was. One mounting point is the " A " position, and the other " B " position. I just don't remember which is which,or if it is marked on the flywheel, or if it was on a sketch. I have dealt with Brewers on a few occasions. Top notch people !! I am sure they can get you straight !


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Two mounting spots is how the one I installed was. One mounting point is the " A " position, and the other " B " position. I just don't remember which is which,or if it is marked on the flywheel, or if it was on a sketch. I have dealt with Brewers on a few occasions. Top notch people !! I am sure they can get you straight !




Well I called Brewer's and Mcleod about this..

Brewer's didnt have much to say except negative things about the source flywheel and not really any info since they dont use it, but he did tell me they do have the weight i need

When I called Mcleod I spoke with Billy and he told me with the back of the flywheel facing me that the holes to the left are position "A" and for the smallblock weight, the other two holes are what he called position "C" (no B he said) and are for 383/400/440. He told me the weight I need is Mcleod #460016

So it looks like I will be ordering the weight I need from Brewers and going from there...Hopefully this all works out ...thanks for all the help everyone, it was mucho appreciated!

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