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Is a quality 10w30 adequate for a mild 440? #98165 08/01/08 01:16 PM 08/01/08 01:16 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,439 Val-haul-ass... eventually B BradH OP Taking time off to work on my car
BradH OP Taking time off to work on my car B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,439 Val-haul-ass... eventually	I'm now using 20w50 Brad Penn Racing in my Challenger, but haven't decided what to switch to in my Road Runner. It's a mild solid-lifter cam combination that never sees over about 5500 RPM and leads a pretty easy life when driven. Is a quality 10w30 (such as Brad Penn Racing) a good viscosity for this application?

Re: Is a quality 10w30 adequate for a mild 440? [Re: BradH] #98166 08/01/08 01:18 PM 08/01/08 01:18 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	i would think so

Re: Is a quality 10w30 adequate for a mild 440? #98167 08/01/08 04:35 PM 08/01/08 04:35 PM
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GO_Fish master Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 6,167 Maryland	It should be fine, that's what the owners manual probably spec'd when it was new anyways. Thicker oil than you need will cause higher oil pressure (which can make leaks), higher heat, and reduced horsepower because of the extra work involved pushing the thick oil through. I'm running 10w30 Pennzoil and a bottle of ZDDPlus additive on my flat tappet 360. Scott B. "I'm a self-made man... I started with nothing, and I still have most of it!" 68 360 rusty B'cuda 'vert (GO Fish)13.59@ 98.72 mph 69 340 GTS stock 14.18@ 95.60 mph 01 5.9L Ram 1500 Quad Cab 4x4 01 3.5L 300M 16.23@ 86.97 mph

Re: Is a quality 10w30 adequate for a mild 440? [Re: GO_Fish] #98168 08/01/08 04:48 PM 08/01/08 04:48 PM
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Andrewh master A Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,670	I read an article about oil weights. It is interesting in that those numbers mean jack at operating temp. Strictly speaking those are for when the engine cool starts. Here is the article http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=136052

Re: Is a quality 10w30 adequate for a mild 440? [Re: Andrewh] #98169 08/01/08 06:07 PM 08/01/08 06:07 PM
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DCM71cuda pro stock Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,329 NC	Quote: I read an article about oil weights. It is interesting in that those numbers mean jack at operating temp. Strictly speaking those are for when the engine cool starts. Here is the article http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=136052 That is a very long article, most of which can be ignored if you understand the SAE designations for oil weight and viscosity designations. There are also some people that have replaced camshafts that would very much disagree with: Quote: Please note that it makes no difference what oil you are using. The 0W-20 Mobil 1 that is SL rated meets the same criteria as that SL rated 10W-30 synthetic or mineral based Pennzoil. That SJ or in particular that SH oil some people are looking for (from their older automotive owners manual) is no where near as good as any SL oil of today. Always use the most currently available, highest rated motor oil, even in the oldest, most worn engine. You may require a thicker grade but just make sure it is SL rated. I use 10w 40 in my street driven 440. Something to think about is that oils require more non-lubricating additives to achieve wide cold/hot spreads. In other words, there are lots more additives to produce a 5w-40 oil vs a 5w-20.

Re: Is a quality 10w30 adequate for a mild 440? [Re: DCM71cuda] #98170 08/01/08 06:17 PM 08/01/08 06:17 PM
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ahy master A Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7,664 IN	The engine will tell you what viscosity it likes by its hot oil pressure. If clearances are not much greater than stock 10W30 should be fine. Your flat tappet will want more zinc than current car 10W30. I don't know the zinc content of the oil you've choosen. I do know diesel engine oil has a good amount - even the newer grades - so my choice would be 10W30 Rotella T. Some additional zinc for break in would help too (STP, GM break in supplement, Comp Cams break in supplement ect.).

Re: Is a quality 10w30 adequate for a mild 440? [Re: ahy] #98171 08/01/08 09:28 PM 08/01/08 09:28 PM
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MY340 master M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,270 Missouri	May also depend on how tight your motor is to what viscosity oil would be best. Personally I don't like most 10W-30's in a high performance motor during extreme summer temps and long trips. I'd use 10w-40 in the summer and 10w-30 in the winter or possibly 5W-30 if you drove your car alot below 32 degrees. 5W-30 is easier on cold startups in winter. 1970 FE5 Duster 360/904/3.91's SOLD 1973 TB3 SpaceDuster 340/4spd/4.10's SOLD Moparless for now but when the opportunity is right I'll have another one.

Re: Is a quality 10w30 adequate for a mild 440? [Re: BradH] #98172 08/01/08 09:36 PM 08/01/08 09:36 PM
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goldduster318 pro stock Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,482 Lake Orion, MI	I run 15w-40 Rotella T '70 Duster 470hp 340/T56 Magnum/8 3/4 3.23 Sure-Grip

Re: Is a quality 10w30 adequate for a mild 440? [Re: BradH] #98173 08/01/08 10:37 PM 08/01/08 10:37 PM
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Pentastar440 mopar P Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 414 Indiana	The answer is no. Don't use the 10w30 with a flat tappet cam . If the oil container says for Gasoline engines only and has the round sunburst symbol, then it has no zinc additives and is unexceptable to use in engines that do not have roller cams. I know of no 10w30 that still has zinc . Valvoline racing oil has zinc and there may be others too but do some research or you may wear the lobes off of the camshaft, scattering that debris all through your engine . '65 Belvedere II - 446-Indy,727 transbrake,Dana 4.56 '38 Plymouth 4Dr - 408SixPack, A518, Dana60 4:10

Re: Is a quality 10w30 adequate for a mild 440? [Re: Pentastar440] #98174 08/02/08 12:20 AM 08/02/08 12:20 AM
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DaytonaTurbo Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 21,318 Manitoba, Canada	I've always just ran 10w-30 and my 440's been fine. Then again I'm running a stock engine. Add in a more aggressive camshaft lobe design and higher spring pressures and all the sudden lubrication is more critical. As far as thickness goes, 10w-30 is fine so long as you are able to maintain good oil pressure with it. If oil pressure is too low with the 10-30, step up a grade. Now for lubricant contents, zinc is more crucial to have in a more aggressive than stock setup as well. I hear people adding in a bottle of the red STP, GM's EOS or whatever they call their newest forumula of it, and other products that are heavy in ZDDP to provide proper camshaft protection with newer oils. The diesel oils are supposed to have more zinc in them, but I have a hard time finding them in anything thinner than 15w-40, and that's too thick for me.

Re: Is a quality 10w30 adequate for a mild 440? [Re: DaytonaTurbo] #98175 08/02/08 01:12 AM 08/02/08 01:12 AM
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R70RUNNER master Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 4,861 Riverside, Ca	I run a gallon of 15-40 rotella-t and the balance is 10-30 to full.. been that way for years. works perfect for a mild combo Current cars: 2000 Dak Quad Cab, 2012 Challenger,1970 Road Runner, 1994 Firehawk 1966 Coronet post sedan, 1988 Corvette, 2005 Magnum RT all SOLD R70RUNNER<---VP Inland Empire Chapter of the MPM

Re: Is a quality 10w30 adequate for a mild 440? [Re: R70RUNNER] #98176 08/02/08 01:25 AM 08/02/08 01:25 AM
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383SE member 3 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 150 Dorchester Ontario Canada	I run Brad Penn 10w30 Racing Oil in my 383,it has ZDDP in it.So far so good,lots of oil pressure when hot. 68 Dart GT convert 2013 Ram 4x4

Re: Is a quality 10w30 adequate for a mild 440? [Re: BradH] #98177 08/02/08 09:35 AM 08/02/08 09:35 AM
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CompSyn pro stock Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,285 Pacific NW USA	Quote: I'm now using 20w50 Brad Penn Racing in my Challenger, but haven't decided what to switch to in my Road Runner. It's a mild solid-lifter cam combination that never sees over about 5500 RPM and leads a pretty easy life when driven. Is a quality 10w30 (such as Brad Penn Racing) a good viscosity for this application? Have you considered AMSOIL AMO 10W-40? It�s a great choice for your flat-tappet camshaft application. It�s formulated with ample amounts of Zinc and Phosphorous and it�s made with 100% synthetic group IV base stocks; Polyalphaolefins(PAO). The PAO base stocks are manmade and are free from the naturally occurring paraffin waxes found in Group II oils which utilize paraffinic crude oil base stocks. Many circles consider this a plus. If you�re going to be driving in colder weather, AMSOIL has a 5W-30 Heavy duty Diesel oil with the same Zinc and Phosphorous levels. A few things to consider when choosing your next motor oil� AMO 10W-40 link Zinc and Phosphorous numbers: Zinc = 1378ppm Phosphorous = 1265ppm Typical Physical Properties data: Viscosity Index = 178 TBN = 12.1

Re: Is a quality 10w30 adequate for a mild 440? [Re: CompSyn] #98178 08/02/08 09:47 AM 08/02/08 09:47 AM
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Junky master J Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,186 Wherever I am.	Another good oil at a reasonable price ($17 per gallon) is Shell Rotella T 5W40 synthetic heavy duty motor oil with approxiamately 1300 ppm zinc. I'm currently running that and it's doing great. I notice less burn off with synthetic vs dino oil. Also, valve train noise on a cold start is less...quiets down faster. 2010 Black Challenger SE <> 3.5 V6 Custom Shift Knobs www.flameball.com Check It Out

Re: Is a quality 10w30 adequate for a mild 440? [Re: Junky] #98179 08/02/08 02:16 PM 08/02/08 02:16 PM
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HOOVER24K super street Joined: May 2003 Posts: 461 Tennessee	Is there any advantage using a high zinc content oil in a roller cammed engine or is this only adventageous in a flat tappet configuration?

Re: Is a quality 10w30 adequate for a mild 440? [Re: Andrewh] #98180 08/02/08 03:33 PM 08/02/08 03:33 PM
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furious top fuel F Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,615 Table Rock Lake Missouri	Quote: I read an article about oil weights. It is interesting in that those numbers mean jack at operating temp. Strictly speaking those are for when the engine cool starts. Here is the article http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=136052 Wow, that is a fantastic piece of information, thanks! I really appreciate it. See you guys later, I am headed out to change the 15w50 Mobil 1, I put in the Barracuda LAST weekend!

Re: Is a quality 10w30 adequate for a mild 440? [Re: HOOVER24K] #98181 08/02/08 06:51 PM 08/02/08 06:51 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 21,318 Manitoba, Canada DaytonaTurbo Too Many Posts
DaytonaTurbo Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 21,318 Manitoba, Canada	Quote: Is there any advantage using a high zinc content oil in a roller cammed engine or is this only adventageous in a flat tappet configuration? Only relates to flat tappet cam setups. Rollers don't need to worry. Yet another reason to go roller I guess.

Re: Is a quality 10w30 adequate for a mild 440? [Re: DaytonaTurbo] #98182 08/02/08 07:48 PM 08/02/08 07:48 PM
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mnguy55 member M Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 141 MN	Is Valvoline VR1 synthetic? I�ve been running 10-30 regular valvoline in my stock 440 hp since I rebuilt it. It has the original springs and a magnum replacement cam. I've been following all this zinc stuff and have thought of switching to VR1 but I am concerned about switching to a synthetic after running regular oil for about 4000 miles/8 years.

Re: Is a quality 10w30 adequate for a mild 440? [Re: mnguy55] #98183 08/02/08 08:27 PM 08/02/08 08:27 PM
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Pacnorthcuda Too Many Posts Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 21,819 Kirkland, Washington	No VR1 is not a synthetic, and I would not trust its zinc content without an additive--at least a bottle of stp red. I have seen staveley and blackstone reports that say VR1 has low zinc content--I have also seen high.

Re: Is a quality 10w30 adequate for a mild 440? [Re: BradH] #98184 08/02/08 08:45 PM 08/02/08 08:45 PM
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68Bullit mopar Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 571 Western NC	So, if you have a flat tappet cam, is it okay to use a good modern Valvoline 10W-40, as long as you add some EOS (zinc) additive? Or do you need to run an oil that contains zinc as well as adding the zinc additive? I'm using regular Valvoline now and putting a bottle of the GM zinc stuff in there too. Is this alright?

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