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Re: Question on the stage V hemi 440 heads
[Re: waspnest69]
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04/25/11 08:13 PM
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Not a bad deal... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...RK%3AMEWAX%3AITAnd an even cheaper starting point... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...RK%3AMEWAX%3AITI wouldn't waste my money on a 440 block for that build unless there was no other choice. Hemis really spin, and the block won't like it. Even with a rev limiter, they like to rpm instantly. You can save a little on used heads and put it into a new block. Plenty of good deals on heads, blocks, not so much. And are you aware of all the extra machining the 440 block will have to go thru to use the Stage V conversion heads? My engine guy has built them before, and that was when all the blocks dried up....Once you put hemi heads on it, for all intensive purposes, all the stock hemi parts will bolt on it. Headers, intakes, etc...They make power, but the 440 block won't like it and neither will the standard oiling system.
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Re: Question on the stage V hemi 440 heads
[Re: DaytonaTurbo]
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04/25/11 09:09 PM
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How is the block not going to like that any different than a comparable 440 built the same way? You can get wedge heads that flow the same as his stock conversion stage v heads, after that the rest of the build is a wash. If he's going for high hp and high rpm he may need stuff like aftermarket main caps/studs, block girdle, etc. But it's not like a 440 has never been taken that route before. IMO it depends on what his overall hp goals are.
Go that rout if you want, but I would not spend that kind of coin to put a 2-bolt RV block under it... 
Blown up enough hemis to know where to put the money.
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Re: Question on the stage V hemi 440 heads
[Re: waspnest69]
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04/26/11 12:17 PM
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Im working on getting this done and just wanted to know if anyone else has done it? And can I use my stock power brake booster with this set up or is there no room? Its a 70 Super Bee.
To answer this question , yes you have to mount the power booster just like you would with a hemi, the heads are still hemi sized, still uses a hemi sized valve cover and mounts in the same place as a hemi so what would make one think that everything else around it would also not need to be mounted and such the same as a Real Hemi ?
As far as going the conversion route because you can use 440 mounts still, HELLO ? that's a silly reason to go this route , you'll be spending close to hemi money when it's all said and done and in the end you have a compromised block and valve train.
If you want to do it just for Show adapt a set of hemi valve covers to your Wedge engine and hide the induction under an oval air cleaner .
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Re: Question on the stage V hemi 440 heads
[Re: waspnest69]
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04/27/11 02:51 PM
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Awesome looking satelite you have there.Im not going for real high HP,If I want that i just get in my 69 camaro that has plenty of HP.I dont favor any Muscle car I love them all but When it comes to building HP The Chevys got it....Reason being they have good prices.Im sure you know what i mean when trying to buy a Mopar part...Very spendy for junk stuff.Im just trying to build that for fun..I like it when things are done up different...Like to me number matching cars are very boring..i like to create and like to see others creations..There are some awesome looking cars restored using a persons personality.But You are right I believe the 440 block would be fine for what im doing..Just want the Hemi look to be there but also different from someone elses.And as someone suggested manufacture a set of Hemi valve coveres...LOL that was funny.
why not just use a set of ported eddys or indy's and walk all over that Camaro.... as mentioned Stage V heads are hard to find and by the time you're done you'll have real hemi tied up in it. Listen to the Mopar guys on this one.
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Re: Question on the stage V hemi 440 heads
[Re: waspnest69]
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04/27/11 03:34 PM
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When it comes to building HP The Chevys got it....Reason being they have good prices
Generic sh$$ is usually cheaper......
72 RR, Pump gas 440, 452s, 3800 lbs, Corked, ET Radials,. 11.33@117.72.
Same car, bone stock 346s, 9.5 comp, baby solid. 12.24@110.
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Re: Question on the stage V hemi 440 heads
[Re: DaytonaTurbo]
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04/28/11 01:42 PM
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Thanks wasp. Do you have the hemi conversion heads already? If you do, then you might as well just use them. If you don't, then IMO by the time all is said and done you would be cheaper off with using a repro hemi block. A stock bore hemi block you can buy a set of stock bore hemi pistons for cheap. You can use a cheap 440 stock stroke crank and a set of hemi rods. I think a set of aftermarket hemi heads can be had for around 1500, less if you pick up a set of used stock heads.
Used stock hemi heads are only cheap if they are cracked and/or over ported junk ...
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Re: Question on the stage V hemi 440 heads
[Re: JohnRR]
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04/28/11 03:07 PM
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Used stock hemi heads are only cheap if they are cracked and/or over ported junk ...
Exactly. That's the reason I bought new stuff when I built my 426 Hemi a few years back.
I looked at the stage V stuff and with all the silly mods to a 440 block and the extra expense of headers and pistons I just built the real deal and got it over with.
I'm thinking off the top of my head that I came in right around the price of the conversion but with a better block and cleaner swap.
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Re: Question on the stage V hemi 440 heads
[Re: waspnest69]
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04/29/11 08:13 AM
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Yes they still make them,They sent me a price list with everything needed from heads to carbs..Everything on the top end including intake.No hemi intake will work have to use custum one.The price was right aroung 6500.00 for the whole top end.Thats why I was going to use the 440 block But im no expert by anymeans and everyone says the 440 block is weak.Im guessing the only tuff block mopar makes is the 426 and a guy even posted hes blown up enough Hemis to know...so Maybe they are weak to.
FWIW it can buy a complete 500ci wedge that's a complete stump puller for less than $6500. And it will knock that hemi's D in the dirt.
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Re: Question on the stage V hemi 440 heads
[Re: waspnest69]
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04/29/11 08:28 AM
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I agree with you Mr Yuck.I was only going this route to look..KOOL HAHAHA Not really interested in the HP,my cars are mostly yard ornaments as everyone calls them.I Love looking at them and get alot of pleasure in seeing what the real man has created with his own Muscle car...no matter what make.money isnt really a problem for me and I thank God for that.But I do appreciate what the normal average Joe makes with his dollars.Alot of guys go out and buy thier cars already done and havent turned a single bolt on it..What fun is that?
well then build ya a nice big hemi and drop a shiney huffer on top. Now that's eye candy! This one is in a 69 coronet.
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Re: Question on the stage V hemi 440 heads
[Re: waspnest69]
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04/29/11 10:37 AM
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Yeah I best just listen to The Mopar Guys.I was reading at one time that someone was producing the 440 block only with the siamese caps.Has anyone else heard about this? I will go with the 426 Block I get the point but still was curious as to what else is being made.Damn Man that Roadrunner of yours is growing on me!!!!!!What do ya have for a power plant?
Yes they make a wedge block like that but once again WHY buy that block then get the conversion heads, still have do all the mods even though that block is the exact same casting as the hemi block without the hemi machining and you still to buy a CUSTOM piston because a 440 at std bore is .070 larger than a hemi.
A Stock hemi intake will bolt to the conversion heads, don't know where you got that info.
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Re: Question on the stage V hemi 440 heads
[Re: Pale_Roader]
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04/29/11 10:38 AM
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I always wondered about a low-deck application for those heads... moot point, but still...
You can do a low deck with the conversion heads but you'll have to fabricate an intake manifold .
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Re: Question on the stage V hemi 440 heads
[Re: DaytonaTurbo]
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04/30/11 03:03 PM
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I seem to recall those heads needed special rocker arms (exhaust side only?) to extend the pushrod towards the lifter valley. You might want to grind the pushrod clearance before doing the rest of the machining in case you grind into the water jacket and ruin the wedge block.
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Re: Question on the stage V hemi 440 heads
[Re: mr_340]
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04/30/11 07:01 PM
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I seem to recall those heads needed special rocker arms (exhaust side only?) to extend the pushrod towards the lifter valley. You might want to grind the pushrod clearance before doing the rest of the machining in case you grind into the water jacket and ruin the wedge block.
Ya they run special exhaust rockers. IIRC they are only 1.4 ratio as to move the pushrod far enough in.
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Re: Question on the stage V hemi 440 heads
[Re: waspnest69]
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04/30/11 07:22 PM
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heres there the way to drain heads back to pan see russel line hacked into block, if you dont do this motor will cavatate pan and hold all oil in heads and blow up(sweet). remember 440 block deck is not sqaured off and no huge 7/16 drain holes from deck top through block to all four oil pan corners like real hemi block...
MOPAR OR NO CAR
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