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What did I do wrong on my ministarter - NOTHING! Fixed.
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04/07/11 04:42 PM
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Installed a new mini starter from Mancini onto my 440.
I ground away the necessary material to make it fit.
Hit the ignition and the starter spins but the Bendix drive is not engaging the starter ring.
What am I not doing correctly? Out of a gazillion starters this is my first mini. Thanks.
And while we're on the subject, anybody have a pic of where they had to grind away material?
Last edited by Commando1; 04/10/11 03:42 PM.
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Re: What did I do wrong on my ministarter
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04/07/11 04:44 PM
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Tap it?  Maybe the bendix is stuck...Who knows how long it has been sitting on a shelf
Family owned 1969 Charger R/T DualQuad 440/727/GVO/3.55s
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Re: What did I do wrong on my ministarter
[Re: Commando1]
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04/07/11 05:20 PM
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That's why I use the stock boat anchor starters on everything.....plus they sound better than those new ones
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Mild mid-11 second weekend cruiser
1994 F150 XLT Super Cab 2WD
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Re: What did I do wrong on my ministarter
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04/07/11 06:18 PM
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Installed a new mini starter from Mancini onto my 440.
No, you installed a 'returned for defect' starter that sat on the shelf from Mancini... 
And now that he ground on it he owns it ... $$$$
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Re: What did I do wrong on my ministarter
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04/07/11 06:38 PM
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I have seen some of them where the starter gets dropped and the snout hits the concrete, and jams it out of line, and the bendix just binds, and cant come out. If thats the case, I sometimes could un jam it, but usually the case it distorted. Are you sure its grounded properly? My demon had fresh paint all over, and the starter wouldnt spin because lack of ground. I cleaned the paint off the bell housing, and even ran its own ground strap, and it workes flawlessly.
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Re: What did I do wrong on my ministarter
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04/07/11 07:27 PM
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Installed a new mini starter from Mancini onto my 440.
No, you installed a 'returned for defect' starter that sat on the shelf from Mancini...
And now that he ground on it he owns it ... $$$$
I learned to always bench test a starter before installing. Doesn't help if there is a fitment issue, though.  
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Re: What did I do wrong on my ministarter
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04/07/11 07:43 PM
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On mine I removed the black "adapter" where the wires connect. As stated, there is a second place under that adapter where the factory wires can also connect to.
I ground on the tip of the nose cone. And I also ground on the case where it faces the flexplate once mounted. I was using an aftermarket flexplate that allowed me to use an unweighted 318 torque converter with a 360. That part of the case was touching the flexplate and would not let the starter mount correctly. When I hit the key, you heard a lot of spinning but the bendix drive could not extend because of the mis alignment. My grinding took care of that. maybe something to look at on yours. I didnt see exactly what was happening with mine until I had someone crank the car while I was under it watching the starter.
roe
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Re: What did I do wrong on my ministarter
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04/07/11 07:47 PM
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I don't know why Mancini and others say one mini-starter is for a big block, the other small block, maybe they think people are that stupid? I am a small block person myself, and I just went and got one at O'Reillys..before I put it in, My buddy told me he ordered the "Big Block" one from Mancini and asked if i could help install it(He's not so much mechanically inclined) I go over there and thought I'd take mine along for comparison, I knew you had to grind away a SB starter to fit and I wanted to see what was different. The body was the exact same on the Mancini "Big Block" and my O'Reilly factory unit. I ground away at different spots where it snugs against that boss on the block as carefully as I could for about 2 hours. Each little bit I buzzed it and check fit, buzz, check fit.. I didn't want to get carried away. I made sure that i had a slight bit of play in the unattached starter before i bolted it in. So I wouldn't bind it. If you guys who have your BB motors out want to use one of these things, My suggestion is take a little off the block in that looked nook. Some have more there than others. It'd just be better than grinding on starters that you may not be able to get a core exchange on.
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Re: What did I do wrong on my ministarter
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That sucks, try loosing the bolts just a little and see if it works. Maybe gently tap on it when it's a little loose. Hopefully it'll free up.
The last couple starters I have bought were from the parts store for like a 90 dakota and I don't remember grinding on the starter. Got got rid of the big connector/90 degree thing on the electric connections. Otherwise they fit and have worked great for years now, one of them are at least 10 years old. Never got that kinda of service out of original starters, not me anyway.
Yeah, I got mine from autozone for like $118 with a lifetime warranty. I asked for one for a '90 Dakota with a V6. If I had a stock flexplate I dont think I would have needed to grind anything either. Because once I got it in, I realized the nose cone never needed grinding in the first place, just the case where it was hitting my flexplate that was much bigger than a stock one
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Re: What did I do wrong on my ministarter
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04/07/11 09:35 PM
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 14$ from the u-pull it came on a 96 v-6 fit right on the 440,removed the bolt on lug,went right to studs out of starter used a 93 5.2 mini on the 318 in my 85 truck I have done at least 25 swaps to SB&BB never had to grind on any of them to fit all for 14$ used at the u-pull,had one start clicking and would not spin it over...65$ rebuild and 3 yrs later still spiining the 318 over that stud looks closer than it is in the pic,it has clearance in the cup of the core plug one place on the block by the small bolts in the stater is the only place I could see that might need a little grinding,but every one I have done had clearance the mini alt even went on my 440 in the sig pic with stock non a/c brackets and 2 stock power steering pump belts  
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Re: What did I do wrong on my ministarter
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04/08/11 12:59 AM
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This is not sounding too good to me, especially the part about yours not needing any grinding to fit. Yah, I'm p.o.'d now that 'own' the starter. Had to hog out part of the block which left me feeling queasy and then some shaving on the starter itself. All this bs started because my $40 Autozone rebuilt wouldn't crank when hot. So in went a late 90's truck starter from a yard. To make that fit is when all the hogging started. It wouldn't engage so it got returned thinking it was a bum unit. Rather than deal w/another junkyard unit, Iwent to AZ and got the best starter they had. Turned over slower than my cheapo AZ starter so back that went and Idecided to stop playing games and buy a brand new mini starter. Was very dissaponted that it too had interference issuues and finally it too was not engaging. So, back to the original cheapo AZ cheapo rebuilt which is where I'm at now. In 45 yrs, a starter has never given me so much bs, This is rediculous. Not going to badmouth the Mancini starter because Inever heard anything bad about them so I'm figuring it's me. But from the replies so far, I'm starting to be concerned about the Mancini unit because Inow own that sucker.  BTW it's a 130T in a 10 1/2 housing.
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Re: What did I do wrong on my ministarter
[Re: JohnRR]
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04/08/11 02:37 AM
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Installed a new mini starter from Mancini onto my 440.
No, you installed a 'returned for defect' starter that sat on the shelf from Mancini...
And now that he ground on it he owns it ... $$$$
Not necesssarily true. I bought a Mancini mini-starter and ground it until I exposed the windings trying to make it fit. Mancini took it back and gave me a credit. I bought a 440 Source mini-starter and ended up grinding a little off my block to make it fit.
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