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Re: “Mr. Six-Pack” Camshaft dynoed?
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I guess some of you think you are entitled to the specs. I like the one answer here, just buy one and copy it. Must be the "in" thing to do, the Chinese do it.
Why not buy one and try it and if you think you can do better start having a grinder grind you some up to test an see if you can come up with a better mouse trap. Of coarse this will have to be done within certain design perimeters. If you do after years of trying please have it mapped and share it with everyone.
Don't worry about the costs involved or time you had put into it as all the grateful enthusiasts will send you more than enough money to make it worth it.
Getting old just means you were smarter than some and luckier than others.
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Re: “Mr. Six-Pack” Camshaft dynoed?
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04/03/11 02:46 PM
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I guess some of you think you are entitled to the specs. I like the one answer here, just buy one and copy it. Must be the "in" thing to do, the Chinese do it.
Why not buy one and try it and if you think you can do better start having a grinder grind you some up to test an see if you can come up with a better mouse trap. Of coarse this will have to be done within certain design perimeters. If you do after years of trying please have it mapped and share it with everyone.
Don't worry about the costs involved or time you had put into it as all the grateful enthusiasts will send you more than enough money to make it worth it.
i have no dog in this fight, the only reason i even clicked on the thread was i know someone that bought one but doesnt have the car runing yet and wanted to see what all the hoopla was about, that said, it would be nice to beable to see what you might be buying without taking a blind leap of faith.
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Re: “Mr. Six-Pack” Camshaft dynoed?
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04/03/11 03:20 PM
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WOW, this issue seems to be one of the biggest secrets in the Mopar community.  Like I earlier wrote, I would like to get to know some real figures, how big improvement there has been with HP and TQ when changing from old school Mopar grind cam to Bob's cam. Many people say that by butt dyno it performs better, but it seems none has used it at dyno or does not want to give out the results? The cam specs aren't the issue here. If needed, with a degree wheel and dial indicator everyone is able to find out the specs of a cam. If the cam works so well as the users state, publishing the improved performance figures would be a great promotion for Bob's work meaning also for him more customers and more $$$ from the great development work he has done. I am thinking this also from a marketing point of view. Honestly, just my 
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Re: “Mr. Six-Pack” Camshaft dynoed?
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04/03/11 03:34 PM
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I am sure someone has Bob's email address, why not drop him a line and get some of your answers from the source. Just because no one on here has a direct comparison or dyno results does not mean the information is not available or top secret.
Getting old just means you were smarter than some and luckier than others.
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Re: “Mr. Six-Pack” Camshaft dynoed?
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04/03/11 03:53 PM
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I am sure someone has Bob's email address, why not drop him a line and get some of your answers from the source. Just because no one on here has a direct comparison or dyno results does not mean the information is not available or top secret.
I already emailed him and got a reply. This is a direct copy from his email.
"It would be hard to give you a number for the power increase, but every time we have used my cams over stock ones, everyone has been pleased"
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Re: “Mr. Six-Pack” Camshaft dynoed?
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04/03/11 04:23 PM
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I am sure someone has Bob's email address, why not drop him a line and get some of your answers from the source. Just because no one on here has a direct comparison or dyno results does not mean the information is not available or top secret.
I already emailed him and got a reply. This is a direct copy from his email.
"It would be hard to give you a number for the power increase, but every time we have used my cams over stock ones, everyone has been pleased"
Not much of an answer.
I would "assume" that most everyone is pleased with the power increase over stock ones regardless of who's cam it is.
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Re: “Mr. Six-Pack” Camshaft dynoed?
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04/03/11 05:23 PM
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Cam Dr. it, post the specs, Game Over......
72 RR, Pump gas 440, 452s, 3800 lbs, Corked, ET Radials,. 11.33@117.72.
Same car, bone stock 346s, 9.5 comp, baby solid. 12.24@110.
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Re: “Mr. Six-Pack” Camshaft dynoed?
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I have on the shelf an old unused 383/440 Magnum cam package and a Comp XE268H, but I would had liked to test something not so typical cam choice as those are. I always target at a rebuild for a little better performance  I am having for the 383 KB 400 pistons 10:1 CR, othervise the engine is having stock parts, manifolds, ignition, carb, etc. That Challenger has A/C and PDB, so I would need some vacuum for the brake booster and some torque on the idle for smoothly running the A/C compressor. Without any numbers, hp or torque, or other clear facts like 1/4 ET's, it's a little bit difficult to evaluate, is the cam worth the extra money spent. If Bob want's to keep the specs of his cam as a secret, let him do it. I am not claiming about it. Don't misunderstand. I just would like to know, how well those cams perform compared to a pure stock cam.
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Re: “Mr. Six-Pack” Camshaft dynoed?
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04/03/11 06:20 PM
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I have on the shelf an old unused 383/440 Magnum cam package and a Comp XE268H, but I would had liked to test something not so typical cam choice as those are. I always target at a rebuild for a little better performance
I am having for the 383 KB 400 pistons 10:1 CR, othervise the engine is having stock parts, manifolds, ignition, carb, etc. That Challenger has A/C and PDB, so I would need some vacuum for the brake booster and some torque on the idle for smoothly running the A/C compressor.
Without any numbers, hp or torque, or other clear facts like 1/4 ET's, it's a little bit difficult to evaluate, is the cam worth the extra money spent.
If Bob want's to keep the specs of his cam as a secret, let him do it. I am not claiming about it. Don't misunderstand. I just would like to know, how well those cams perform compared to a pure stock cam.
Have you bothered to call him and talk with him live, or has it just been email?
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Re: “Mr. Six-Pack” Camshaft dynoed?
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04/03/11 06:52 PM
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I have on the shelf an old unused 383/440 Magnum cam package and a Comp XE268H, but I would had liked to test something not so typical cam choice as those are. I always target at a rebuild for a little better performance
I am having for the 383 KB 400 pistons 10:1 CR, othervise the engine is having stock parts, manifolds, ignition, carb, etc. That Challenger has A/C and PDB, so I would need some vacuum for the brake booster and some torque on the idle for smoothly running the A/C compressor.
Without any numbers, hp or torque, or other clear facts like 1/4 ET's, it's a little bit difficult to evaluate, is the cam worth the extra money spent.
If Bob want's to keep the specs of his cam as a secret, let him do it. I am not claiming about it. Don't misunderstand. I just would like to know, how well those cams perform compared to a pure stock cam.
All the piling on aside 
You raise a completely valid and legitimate question. Nothing wrong with wanting some hard facts to back up something. Buy one and set up a back to back dyno session. Or just do a cam swap at the track on the same day and see what you come up with....As a matter of fact, I think I still have one at the shop. If someone wants to dyno test it, I will donate the cam for the test...
BK is a good guy and I do consider him to be an asset to the hobby and a personal friend. 
MB
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Re: “Mr. Six-Pack” Camshaft dynoed?
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04/03/11 06:53 PM
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 with ya A.E.!! It would be interesting!! But the old adage is that, "Everyone's combo is NOT the same"!! Henceforth, this is why Bob "individualizes" his recommended cam specs. It's like trying to tailor a suit that Arnold Schwarzneger wears, to fit Pee Wee Herman! Custom fit of parts is the rule!! BTW my previous post WAS intended for Von.  
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