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Re: AAR fenders [Re: Silver70] #962211
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Just looked at mine, they are NOT rolled. I know the driver's is original and I am 90% sure the passenger's is. I will double check with Bryan (X9cude owned it for 12-15 years before I bought it from him) to verify the originality of the passenger side and let you know.


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Re: AAR fenders [Re: mopar346] #962212
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The aar cuda I'm working on now doesn't have any rolling in the lip. One was a factory replacement fender, the other was the original to the car.




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Just looked at mine, they are NOT rolled. I know the driver's is original and I am 90% sure the passenger's is.





I would consider that correct. No need for rolled fenders on an AAR.

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Re: AAR fenders [Re: Alaskan_TA] #962213
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So, it looks like a used replacement fender to me. Rolling them with baseball bats was also a common owner trick back then for fat aftermarket tires.




I'll agree with Barry that it's a used replacement fender. Going by what Mike S said though, the challenger hemi fender shouldn't have an inner fender brace, which this fender clearly does. That along with the extent and quality of rolling would lead me to believe that this fender was not originaly a hemi fender, it was a regular fender that was probably modified by an owner with aftermarket tires as Barry suggested. Then at some point the hemi fender part # was (fraudelently) added.

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Re: AAR fenders [Re: mike s] #962214
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There is a part number that I have yet to receive that was issued for the stamped fenders.(still trying to get it)




Here is the E body Fender section out of the 70-71 Parts Manual. This page is dated January 1972. 7 digit Part #'s for each fender are listed at the right. Even #'s are the passenger side, replacing the last digit with the odd # after the hyphen will give you the drivers side part #.
Example: 1970 or 1971 Challenger with F60x15 tire 3579 380 passenger side & 3579 381 driver side.
1970 'Cuda with F60x15 tire 3579 378 passenger side & 3579 379 driver side.
1971 'Cuda with F60x15 tire 3579 664 passenger side & 3579 665 driver side.

Lots of Barracuda/'Cuda fenders are listed because 71 had two headlights per side and 70 only had one, and also because in 71 the BS ('Cuda) models had fender gills, each variation requiring a different part #.

You'll notice that there is a listing for a special trans am challenger fender for use with F60x14 tires. It seems this fender was never made. The trans am cars came with E60 front tires.

Another thing that I find curious about this list is that there's a listing for a 1971 Barracuda/Gran Coupe non gilled fender for use with F60x15 hemi tires. Surely this must be another mistake. I've checked the tire application for 1971, and it lists F60x15 standard with Hemi, not optional on anything else, same as 1970. Since you couldn't get a hemi in a Barracuda/Gran Coupe, there would be no need for hemi fenders for those cars.

The parts book does contain errors.

Tav

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Re: AAR fenders [Re: cataclysm80] #962215
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Here is a pic of the hemi fender tag on Daniel Bankers green 70 Challenger. It did have hemi fenders on the car, I looked, but was unable to get a picture of the underside before he left that day. That was the last time I saw him. I hear the car is in NY now.

The cars with this hemi fender tag are the ones with the factory installed vendor supplied hemi fenders. Along with some of the 1970 cars, that should include all of the 1971 Hemi E bodies. Surely someone out there has one of these cars and could post a picture for us?

The earlier 1970 hemi cars had the creative industries modified fenders and did not receive the special fender tag.

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Re: AAR fenders [Re: cataclysm80] #962216
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For anyone out there still wondering what a hemi fender looks like, here are some other hemi fender pics I've rounded up.

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Re: AAR fenders [Re: cataclysm80] #962217
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Re: AAR fenders [Re: cataclysm80] #962218
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From talking to a supervisor from the hamtramck plant who also worked on the assembly line during the run of the AAR's and T/A's he said the rolled lip fenders were made with a special jig designed by Creative Industries. This was one job on the assembly line that if someone had called off work and someone was needed to cover a more important job that person was pulled and fenders didn't get done. Even though the fender tag are stamped hemi fender not all hemi cars had them..just like not all AAR's and T/A's had them... In fact i've seen quite a few original cars that have one fender with a rolled lip and one with out. My AAR was a 47,000 original mile car and the fenders didn't have the rolled lip. I see you reference the parts books.. Please keep in mind not everything they put in those books is or was gospel. There's far too much stuff in those books that's incorrect and or misleading. I always like to use the many 71 Hemi carbs they list. We can quote the book on many many things but I like to use the book(s) along with true original 1 owner cars that are almost completely untouched to judge how and what these cars left the factory with. Almost completely means aside from belts and hoses and possibly tires everything else is as it was when it left factory.


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Re: AAR fenders [Re: Transamcuda] #962219
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My AAR has a rolled fender on drivers side only.

Re: AAR fenders [Re: HUSTLESTUFF] #962220
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My AAR has driver side original fender - it is rolled.
Passenger side was replaced sometime in the mid 70's (as far as i know).....it is also rolled.

Re: AAR fenders [Re: kielbasa] #962221
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This post got my curiousity up so I when out and checked my aar it has both of its original front fenders ( still in original paint ) neither of the fenders are rolled . I also have an original passenger side aar cuda fender in my attic it is also in original paint I went in the attic and checked this fender it is also not rolled . My aar has an Apri 15 build date maybe if guys start posting their build dates we will see a pattern

Re: AAR fenders [Re: aarcuda33] #962222
10/11/11 11:11 PM
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There is no way to know the build date though.

Re: AAR fenders [Re: Transamcuda] #962223
10/12/11 12:24 AM
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So how do the wheel lip moldings play into this?

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