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7 1/4 spider replacement #960246
03/27/11 08:32 PM
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A few days ago I wrecked the spiders on the 7 1/4 (open) in my 79 Volare, now it makes some awful noises when going around corners. I found a replacement set at randy's r&p, and I was just wondering how much work it'll be to make the swap. Will I have to disassemble the whole diff assembly (I know it's a pain to break down a 7 1/4), or can they be changed out in place?

Re: 7 1/4 spider replacement [Re: red79] #960247
03/27/11 08:57 PM
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Should be able to pull axles out and swap gears with dif in car. Replace all as a set, not just the broken ones.

Re: 7 1/4 spider replacement [Re: dhkennedy] #960248
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good to know, thanks. any idea where I can find a step-by-step? don't have an FSM for this car

Re: 7 1/4 spider replacement [Re: red79] #960249
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Replace the whole rear with a 8.25 9-bolt

Re: 7 1/4 spider replacement [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #960250
03/27/11 09:18 PM
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always thought it was weird most of those 7 1/4 had bolt on axels yet the bigger 8 1/4's had c-clips.


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Re: 7 1/4 spider replacement [Re: red79] #960251
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I am not sure if the pin will pull out. The carrier may have to come out. What about the bearings?? I am sure they will be sad with all the metal pieces floating around inside.

Re: 7 1/4 spider replacement [Re: NITROUSN] #960252
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afaik post-81 7 1/4s have c-clips, previous they are bolts

as for the bearings, I'm not trying to spend a whole lot of money to keep this car on the road, it's a rusty DD and I just need something to get around town. I figured I'll flush the case out as best I can with solvent before re greasing everything and call it a day, if it blows up again there's always an 8 1/4 junkyard units lying around on the cheap

Re: 7 1/4 spider replacement [Re: red79] #960253
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afaik post-81 7 1/4s have c-clips, previous they are bolts

as for the bearings, I'm not trying to spend a whole lot of money to keep this car on the road, it's a rusty DD and I just need something to get around town. I figured I'll flush the case out as best I can with solvent before re greasing everything and call it a day, if it blows up again there's always an 8 1/4 junkyard units lying around on the cheap




Why risk it blowing out again, if you can replace it with another rear on the cheap i'd do that instead, i'm sure theres alot more damage then just the spider gears, when the spiders/clusters start having issues & its chunking parts or clunking around it can/will in most cases fracture the ring/pinion, even damage the bearings, so why risk it, IMO just replacing the spiders it'll be a ticking time bomb anyways.


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Re: 7 1/4 spider replacement [Re: joedust451] #960254
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Agreed, patching up a 7 1/4 is a grenade with the pin pulled, but sometimes that is what we need to do at the time. If someone is working on the ground with limited finances and tools fixing the old one may be a better road for now. "Just toss in an 8 1/4" sounds easy and types fast, but now you are into rusty brake lines, rusty U-bolts, probably locating new shock mount plates and a driveshaft, etc., not to mention the added bulk of muscleing the new axle in and out. Personally, I'd pull the cover and see if the carrier is good and if the crosspin will come out before I ordered parts - but that's just me. Luckily I have a spare car to drive, and a well stocked garage to work out of - I haven't always been this lucky.


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agreed, patching the 7 1/4 might only get me another year or so, but I'm working with limited tools/space in the parking lot in front of my building. and I recently found out my landlord doesn't approve of car work when he threatened to tow the charger after I took the front suspension out for blasting/coating and new bushings.

I'll be able to do things more conscientiously in the future, but I already have a 'project car' that I'm 'doing right', and I really just need to get this one back on the road.

also, found a decent deal on an internals kit (4 gears, washers, cross pin, lock+pinion screw bolts) at national drivetrain for $85.

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Go for it but just don`t do anymore burnouts around turns.

Re: 7 1/4 spider replacement [Re: red79] #960257
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agreed, patching the 7 1/4 might only get me another year or so, but I'm working with limited tools/space in the parking lot in front of my building. and I recently found out my landlord doesn't approve of car work when he threatened to tow the charger after I took the front suspension out for blasting/coating and new bushings.

I'll be able to do things more conscientiously in the future, but I already have a 'project car' that I'm 'doing right', and I really just need to get this one back on the road.

also, found a decent deal on an internals kit (4 gears, washers, cross pin, lock+pinion screw bolts) at national drivetrain for $85.




As I said in my post I understand your situation. The reason why I mentioned the inspection before buying parts - the diff pinion gears often gall and grab the cross pin and spin it in the housing, which breaks off the retaining bolt. Sometimes you can't get the cross pin out, the broken bolt out, or the case gets wallowed out or cracked, which at that point you also need a case too.


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so the weather if finally good enough for me to take a crack at the job, and I've run into a snag--the cross pin can't come out with the carrier in place, it hits the ring gear. looks like the whole thing is going to have to come out







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