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Re: How to Lower Your 1972-1993 Dodge Pickup [Re: 77ProStreet] #958249
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My bad , didnt know you already had Dakota spindles,.cant help with that .

Re: How to Lower Your 1972-1993 Dodge Pickup [Re: speedy383] #958250
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So....no need to notch the frame when doing a simple axle flip? I'm thinking of doing a mild drop on my '83 stepside. I already have a set of LCA from a 3/4 ton van. Great info here.

Re: How to Lower Your 1972-1993 Dodge Pickup [Re: speedy383] #958251
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This is the way it looks with the flipped rear and van lower control arms. I plan on bigger rear rims and tires, sorry about the looks ,had to get it ready to race. Went to Infinion yesterday,ran a couple of 13.50s with tire spin , On the third pass i tore the ring gear out of it,so i will be doing some rear work this week.




Wow, strangely familiar......



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Re: How to Lower Your 1972-1993 Dodge Pickup [Re: moparmandjh] #958252
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Guys,
I am in the middle of lowering an 87 Dodge shortbed of a friend of mines and I am running into tie rod troubles. I used the Rockauto B100 3300lb LCA and got the steering arms from a 95 van in the junkyard. We also cut 1/2 a coil from the springs. The problem is that the tie rod is VERY close to the strut rod. Does anyone have a better pic of what the correct steering arms look like? The pictures don't really show them very well - I wonder if I have the wrong ones.
Moving the tie rod to the top of the steering arms would solve the clearance problem but I don't want to make a bump steer issue. We also do not have the engine in the truck at this time - getting a 440 ready to swap in place of the old 6 cyl. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Mark J

Re: How to Lower Your 1972-1993 Dodge Pickup [Re: 68hemiss] #958253
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You don't use the van steering arms
The only time you change the steering arms is when you use a pocketed LCA's from a truck

I never disconnected the tie rods when I changed these

Here's pic of mine

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Re: How to Lower Your 1972-1993 Dodge Pickup [Re: BulletBob] #958254
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Bob,
Maybe I wasn't clear - we did use the Van pocketed LCA like Kevin did. Our tie rods are way closer than yours - The sleeve is maybe maybe 1/2"-1" away from the strut rods. I thought I saw a pic where the Steering arms curved up from the ball joint to where the tie rod attaches - ours curve up and then dip back down before the tie rod - that is why I thought that I might have the wrong steering arms. I will try to get some pics.
Thanks,
Mark J

Re: How to Lower Your 1972-1993 Dodge Pickup [Re: 68hemiss] #958255
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Bob,
It looks like your outer tie rod attaches from the top of the steering arm - ours attaches from the bottom - difference in steering arm?

Re: How to Lower Your 1972-1993 Dodge Pickup [Re: 68hemiss] #958256
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He never said you didn't use the van lca's. You Don't use the van steering arm AT ALL. His stock one is what's to be used

Re: How to Lower Your 1972-1993 Dodge Pickup [Re: 68hemiss] #958257
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I used the Rockauto B100 3300lb LCA and got the steering arms from a 95 van in the junkyard. We also cut 1/2 a coil from the springs. The problem is that the tie rod is VERY close to the strut rod. Does anyone have a better pic of what the correct steering arms look like? Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Mark J




You do not use steering arms from any van when you use van LCA's

Reread Kevin's thread, He didn't use van steering arms
Reread my reply I never disconnected the tie rods & didn't until months after the pic when I put all new tie rods, center link & pitman arm on it.

Re: How to Lower Your 1972-1993 Dodge Pickup [Re: 68hemiss] #958258
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... Does anyone have a better pic of what the correct steering arms look like? ...



Surely somewhere in the 6 pages of this thread there's a pic of my dropped spindles next to dropped Dak spindles and stock spindles. I'm pretty sure they all had arms on them in the pic.


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Re: How to Lower Your 1972-1993 Dodge Pickup [Re: Cheeto] #958259
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... Does anyone have a better pic of what the correct steering arms look like? ...



Surely somewhere in the 6 pages of this thread there's a pic of my dropped spindles next to dropped Dak spindles and stock spindles. I'm pretty sure they all had arms on them in the pic.



Pretty sure that's in Rumblebees write up object them being installed on his 73

Re: How to Lower Your 1972-1993 Dodge Pickup [Re: 76dodgeboy] #958260
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Hmmm, am I getting old enough that I'm confusing threads? Naw, that can't be.


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Re: How to Lower Your 1972-1993 Dodge Pickup [Re: Cheeto] #958261
08/18/13 10:20 AM
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I wasn't a member when you built your truck. But its your pic that's posted in his thread

Re: How to Lower Your 1972-1993 Dodge Pickup [Re: Kevin I] #958262
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Re: How to Lower Your 1972-1993 Dodge Pickup [Re: Hugh Jorgan] #958263
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correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't cutting coils have the same effect as installing van LCA's ?
except that you have a slight increase in spring rate with cut coils .
I cut the coils on my '89 D100 and have no issues with bump steer or parts interfering.
One benefit of both types of lowering that hasn't been mentioned is an improvement in roll center which improves handling. One thing I do want to change on my truck is to put a stiffer shock on the front.

Re: How to Lower Your 1972-1993 Dodge Pickup [Re: Hugh Jorgan] #958264
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he guys im looking for help, im trying to lower my 3/4 ton crew cab. it has the heavy duty front end on it with pocket lower control arms. any advice other than chopping springs?

Re: How to Lower Your 1972-1993 Dodge Pickup [Re: wyldebill] #958265
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Its cut the springs or install 1/2-3/4 ton springs or have custom made ones or Bags. Or if your feeling real froggy Z the frame or Body drop it

Re: How to Lower Your 1972-1993 Dodge Pickup [Re: 76dodgeboy] #958266
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Re: How to Lower Your 1972-1993 Dodge Pickup [Re: MattW] #958267
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This thread needs to be a "sticky"!

Re: How to Lower Your 1972-1993 Dodge Pickup [Re: Kevin I] #1809100
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I'll add to this thread that we found we couldn't use a factory sway bar, frame brackets, and end links (that clamp to the strut rod) with the van lower control arms we installed to lower the truck. The end links interfere with the leading edge of the van control arms since they are so much wider.

Below is a pic of the arm comparison by the OP..


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