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Re: How to Lower Your 1972-1993 Dodge Pickup [Re: RodStRace] #958169
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I did the Dakota spindle swap on my Ramcharger and its not that big of a deal. I got cut coils on the truck control arms but want to swap for the van ones. Thanks for the info!



Dave, if you lower that thing another 3 inches with the van LCAs, you are going to have to put rubbing blocks on the bottom!!!




To do the van control arms I would have to put stock height springs back in it, therefore it would sit about the same height. Its either that, or airbag it.......

Re: How to Lower Your 1972-1993 Dodge Pickup [Re: Mopargnome] #958170
03/29/11 01:35 AM
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NICE JOB KEVIN!

You did an AWESOME job writing all of this and explaining it with pics.

A lot of us appreciate it very much, you have made it real simple.

PS. I would like to see more pics of your truck, its darn near a twin to mine.

Mark

Re: How to Lower Your 1972-1993 Dodge Pickup [Re: 77ProStreet] #958171
03/29/11 10:46 AM
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NICE JOB KEVIN!

You did an AWESOME job writing all of this and explaining it with pics.

A lot of us appreciate it very much, you have made it real simple.

PS. I would like to see more pics of your truck, its darn near a twin to mine.

Mark




Thanks. How 'bout some pictures of your's? I will dig up a few pictures of the truck when I get home. Here is one to tide you over until then.

Re: How to Lower Your 1972-1993 Dodge Pickup [Re: Kevin I] #958172
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Nice info and good looking ride Kevin. My 73 was a learn as I go process with the help of Rumblebee, and a couple of other guys. I know now what I've done wrong, and as soon as I get back from MATS, I'm going to go through the front end... again! I've got mine sitting on 20x8s all the way around, and for all intent and purpose it LOOKS good. Even in the rust finish, unfinished state that it's in. But, I know the Van LCA's offer a somewhat smoother ride than my cut springs! But, as I said, learn as I go, and my dad, God Bless him, for setting himself on fire with the cutting wheels, cussing the rivets in the back, and then helping me replace the rearend after a minor mishap... We've found out though, that either we need taller jacks... or slimmer waistlines!

Seeing yours makes me wanna get out there and shake the winter blahs, thanks Kevin!

Re: How to Lower Your 1972-1993 Dodge Pickup [Re: 73TruckGuy] #958173
03/29/11 01:52 PM
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I'm another one that used the dropped Dakota spindles on my 74 D100. I did it in one day in my driveway. Simple swap with no problems afterward. Even used stock D100 springs and still got 2.5" drop.

Re: How to Lower Your 1972-1993 Dodge Pickup [Re: 77ProStreet] #958174
03/29/11 09:34 PM
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PS. I would like to see more pics of your truck, its darn near a twin to mine.




Here is where I posted some pics of my trucks.
https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showthreaded.php?Cat=0&Number=6195031&page=0&vc=1

Re: How to Lower Your 1972-1993 Dodge Pickup [Re: stumpy] #958175
03/29/11 09:36 PM
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I'm another one that used the dropped Dakota spindles on my 74 D100. I did it in one day in my driveway. Simple swap with no problems afterward. Even used stock D100 springs and still got 2.5" drop.




I guess it isn't as hard as I thought. I remember a thread on another forum a few years ago before it was all sorted out and there were a few issues the guy was trying to figure out.

Re: How to Lower Your 1972-1993 Dodge Pickup [Re: Kevin I] #958176
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One thing I have found though is that a lot of the 70s Vans had standard non-pocketed control arms. 80s though the majority I have seen are pocketed however. The standard ones do have both sets of strut rod holes drilled.


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Re: How to Lower Your 1972-1993 Dodge Pickup [Re: MoPar Jamie] #958177
03/30/11 12:35 AM
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How 'bout some pictures of your's?




When I said "twin", I meant that mine is the ugly one! I will get a couple pics tomorrow. I'm in the process of getting all my parts together to do a quick lowering job. I already bought the drop spindles and was going to use the van LCA's with, but that might get me too low.

Is there such a thing as too low?

Re: How to Lower Your 1972-1993 Dodge Pickup [Re: MoPar Jamie] #958178
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One thing I have found though is that a lot of the 70s Vans had standard non-pocketed control arms. 80s though the majority I have seen are pocketed however. The standard ones do have both sets of strut rod holes drilled.


What I have learned over the years was that 5 lugs or 8. As long as the lug stud diameter was 1/2" the ball joint is the same on the van. Big stud 3300# & larger requires drilling the spindle to bolt it correctly to the steering arm. As soon as I sit my RC on the ground again I'll post a pic of it & my lowered CrewCab. Kevin,I think your post is cool especially being this subject comes up very often.

Re: How to Lower Your 1972-1993 Dodge Pickup [Re: BulletBob] #958179
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Kevin,I think your post is cool especially being this subject comes up very often.




Thanks.

I am going to try to lower the rear tomorrow. Would it be a waste of time to do a similar write up for a rear axle flip?

Re: How to Lower Your 1972-1993 Dodge Pickup [Re: Kevin I] #958180
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There's 2 ways to do the axle flip! Bob

Re: How to Lower Your 1972-1993 Dodge Pickup [Re: BulletBob] #958181
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There's 2 ways to do the axle flip! Bob



How do you figure?

Re: How to Lower Your 1972-1993 Dodge Pickup [Re: 76dodgeboy] #958182
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right off there is the flip flop with shackle flip with front hanger then flop the axle on top of the springs

then the long chebby shackles to keep the axle under the spring but not a true axle flip

then the front hangers upside down with a shackle flip on the rear with an axle flop

then just floping an axle on top of the spring with shackle and hangers in stock location

get it were you want it then weld in ladder bars in line with the frame for the same ride hieght

then remove springs and hangers from the outside of frame rails

or what goose did with his hangers and axle flip adding blocks

yea I say there are a couple ways to get-r-done

Re: How to Lower Your 1972-1993 Dodge Pickup [Re: scratchnfotraction] #958183
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An Axle flip consists of putting the axle on top of the leafs Nothing more. Flipping shackles and hangers is totally diff because you can do that with the axle under the leafs. That's why an axle flip kit is perches and new u bolts

Re: How to Lower Your 1972-1993 Dodge Pickup [Re: 76dodgeboy] #958184
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Flipping the axle with springs in stock location + flipping the axle & hangers the way Scratch does= 2 ways. Then, you can move the hangers up on the frame or use a chebbie shackle & turn the front hanger upside down. I've lowered the rear all these ways except Scratch's way & have combined the regular flip with moving the hangers up & made C notches for the frame. I spent a bunch of time building pocketed LCA's only to figure out that I should have started with van LCA;s & made them deeper cause the pocket on the truck LCA is small & the spring binds the van LCA has a bigger pocket & looks like a better piece to use. I will be building a set of van LCA's with a 1" deeper pocket on my shortbed. I will correct the ball joint angle if needed. It's not hard when you know how.

Re: How to Lower Your 1972-1993 Dodge Pickup [Re: BulletBob] #958185
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As I said thats NOT part of an axle flip when it can be done without putting the axle ontop of the springs. An axle Flip is ONLY putting the axle ontop of the springs Nothing else. Anything else you do is is just a mod to lower or raise it so ONE way only its that simple.
Good info though for people that want it lower than just the axle flip and not wanting to use blocks

Re: How to Lower Your 1972-1993 Dodge Pickup [Re: 76dodgeboy] #958186
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As I said thats NOT part of an axle flip when it can be done without putting the axle ontop of the springs. An axle Flip is ONLY putting the axle ontop of the springs Nothing else. Anything else you do is is just a mod to lower or raise it so ONE way only its that simple.
Good info though for people that want it lower than just the axle flip and not wanting to use blocks





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Re: How to Lower Your 1972-1993 Dodge Pickup [Re: Kevin I] #958187
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Would it be a waste of time to do a similar write up for a rear axle flip?







It's never a waste of time! There is always someone who has never done it, and needs a little guidence.

Go for it Kevin!

Re: How to Lower Your 1972-1993 Dodge Pickup [Re: 77ProStreet] #958188
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Would it be a waste of time to do a similar write up for a rear axle flip?







It's never a waste of time! There is always someone who has never done it, and needs a little guidence.

Go for it Kevin!


it would be good info for someone wanting to know how to lower them and how to adj pinion angle after its done

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