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Re: Coan super sprag for street, strengths/drawbacks? [Re: lowflyingdart] #954639
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Put in either the Coan or the A&A 16 element sprag. It will be just fine on the street. The only draw back is cost. We had a customer break a rear end with a 727 and a Coan Supersprag. The Sprag held, but was damaged. Most importantly it held and didn't overrun the drum.
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Re: Coan super sprag for street, strengths/drawbacks? [Re: JohnRR] #954640
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John,
Does the A&A Ultimate Sprag use 1/4 bolts with compression ferrels?

The Coan says it uses 8mm shoulder bolts, and the case bolt holes need to be enlarge since that is slightly larger than the stock 727 5/16 bolts that thread into the case (not the sprag).

Re: Coan super sprag for street, strengths/drawbacks? [Re: 440Jim] #954641
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all these do help but if and its always a matter not if , but when it goes it will take anyones sprag!
most time the trannys junk either way,
just make sure you run a shield!

Re: Coan super sprag for street, strengths/drawbacks? [Re: dOc !] #954642
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I think that the aftermarket sprags are just another way dip-DEEP into your wallet.

I would just INSIST on better track-prep ....

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Always thinking someone is trying to rip him off, it get so old...

Yea sure there gonna prep the track better because you have weak trans, yea right.

Re: Coan super sprag for street, strengths/drawbacks? [Re: Challenger 1] #954643
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Doc is just bein' thrifty There are no drawbacks for an aftermarket sprag.My builder also installs "set screws" for the stock sprag unless it's been spun.I bought the billit steel drom from http://www.tcsproducts.com/products/subcategory/14/ As previously stated,the billit steel or even the steel lined aluminum drum is a very logical up grade.I dropped my trans off to Tom yesterday,he wants to use a babbit bearing for the new converter and trim off what has to go in order to use the new CSR sheild.Insurance for the new HP levels I will be playin' with

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Re: Coan super sprag for street, strengths/drawbacks? [Re: Challenger 1] #954644
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I think that the aftermarket sprags are just another way dip-DEEP into your wallet.

I would just INSIST on better track-prep ....

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Always thinking someone is trying to rip him off, it get so old...

Yea sure there gonna prep the track better because you have weak trans, yea right.




READ AGAIN

Short story, went to a regional outlaw track for a fun run/race. Poor track prep, hooked hard on drag radials, got out about 30 ft and the tires broke loose/hooked up again and busted my sprag

It was for FUN run not the world finals... track prep is usually 60' at your own risk.

I think the sprang and a griner V/B aka low band apply will be all the insurance you will need

Re: Coan super sprag for street, strengths/drawbacks? [Re: Challenger 1] #954645
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I think that the aftermarket sprags are just another way dip-DEEP into your wallet.

I would just INSIST on better track-prep ....

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Always thinking someone is trying to rip him off, it get so old...

Yea sure there gonna prep the track better because you have weak trans, yea right.




ChallyNONE ... why do you keep tryin' to bust-my-stones ? ESPECIALLY when you live-in such a glass-house(being in the LPG reselling biz) ... the most complained about energy supplier in the nation ...

AND now with your MAN CARD revoked ...

Re: Coan super sprag for street, strengths/drawbacks? [Re: hemi-itis] #954646
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Doc is just bein' thrifty There are no drawbacks for an aftermarket sprag.






..and the hemi- should go on a gauge-weight DIET ! ..... ONLY reason to go to a aftermarket sprag is if your case is damaged and you can't use a OEM piece.

BUTTTT ... there IS a draw-back ...you are emptying your wallet uNnecessarly .... but if you want to spend your money IN ANY WAY you see fit ... go-ferr-it

Re: Coan super sprag for street, strengths/drawbacks? [Re: dOc !] #954647
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I think that the aftermarket sprags are just another way dip-DEEP into your wallet.

I would just INSIST on better track-prep ....

.




Always thinking someone is trying to rip him off, it get so old...

Yea sure there gonna prep the track better because you have weak trans, yea right.




ChallyNONE ... why do you keep tryin' to bust-my-stones ? ESPECIALLY when you live-in such a glass-house(being in the LPG reselling biz) ... the most complained about energy supplier in the nation ...

AND now with your MAN CARD revoked ...




Very successfully I might add for 27 years now!
What have you done sucessfully Doc?

Re: Coan super sprag for street, strengths/drawbacks? [Re: Challenger 1] #954648
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Yeah ... you should have had your MAN CARD revoked YEARS ago ..

What I have I done successfully ? ... ran a WORLD FAMOUS fiberglass business for years. And lately ? ... bought a few shares of Apple stock ....

And I would not BE PROUD of LPG reselling ... they are famous for ripping-people-off. LOOK UP the Michigan AG records for the largest fine ever levied and paid ....Inergy PROpain !

WHY do you INSIST on getting and every time you come-after me ?


You MUST like it .....

Re: Coan super sprag for street, strengths/drawbacks? [Re: Challenger 1] #954649
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Bottom line: your sprag is less likely to fail if it's a bolt-in. They're not that expensive and there really is no drawback in using one.


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Re: Coan super sprag for street, strengths/drawbacks? [Re: 1968RR] #954650
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I have done MANY 727 and 904 transmissions ...and I don't think that I have seen more than TWO trans with a spun cam.

AGAIN ...spend you $$$ as you see fit.

Re: Coan super sprag for street, strengths/drawbacks? [Re: 440Jim] #954651
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Back to the topic at hand... (please)

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John,
Does the A&A Ultimate Sprag use 1/4 bolts with compression ferrels?

The Coan says it uses 8mm shoulder bolts, and the case bolt holes need to be enlarge since that is slightly larger than the stock 727 5/16 bolts that thread into the case (not the sprag).




Re: Coan super sprag for street, strengths/drawbacks? [Re: 440Jim] #954652
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what a bunch of babies....geez.
back to the sprag; my understanding is;
1. add a bolt in to prevent the oem from spinning in the case,or damaged case from one already spun
2.buy a "good" bolt-in if hi hp levels,[added rollers] more $$$$
3.the cheap four bolts are avalible,for home do it your selfers 80.00\
and they have ferrels to kinda take up the hole to bolt slop
4.good ones have shoulder type and added number of rollers [c-6 unit]
have CRT do the trans.. ...mike

Re: Coan super sprag for street, strengths/drawbacks? [Re: dOc !] #954653
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I have done MANY 727 and 904 transmissions ...and I don't think that I have seen more than TWO trans with a spun cam.

AGAIN ...spend you $$$ as you see fit.



I had a bolt in c6 sprag in my 727 and it only lasted about 8 passes and it rolled the rollers and busted the case. Not sure why. Always did secound gear burnouts and car seemed to hook up pretty dang good.Now I have about 25 passes on the new trans and seems to be working ok.


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Re: Coan super sprag for street, strengths/drawbacks? [Re: Lee446] #954654
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69 Satelite,528 hemi. This is mainly a street car and still uses a modified vb that retains auto function. Short story, went to a regional outlaw track for a fun run/race. Poor track prep, hooked hard on drag radials, got out about 30 ft and the tires broke loose/hooked up again and busted my sprag.




If the VB "retains auto function" it would still apply the rear band in 1st. Were you in Drive when the sprag failed?


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Re: Coan super sprag for street, strengths/drawbacks? [Re: John_Kunkel] #954655
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my sprag rolling over the springs is the only problem i have had in 20yrs and that sprag was put in in maybe 1995.i am sure it is the 12 roller so maybe it is time for the 16.


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Re: Coan super sprag for street, strengths/drawbacks? [Re: Clanton] #954656
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Boy, this got resurected from way back! To answer your question John, yes, it was in drive. I have a 6500 governer in it and that is why I have a auto VB in it, so I can let it do its thing. I don't want to give up the column shift, which I have never been able to get tightned up enough to feel confident manually shifting without overshooting and I don't want a MVB. With a wedge, the car was deadly consistant in drive bracket racing, and I used it that way for years with no problems. I'm beginning to think I was just real lucky!

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If you make a conscious decision to leave the line in Drive you risk losing the sprag...no matter who makes it.


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Re: Coan super sprag for street, strengths/drawbacks? [Re: 1968RR] #954658
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Bottom line: your sprag is less likely to fail if it's a bolt-in. They're not that expensive and there really is no drawback in using one.




Only half correct , The factory type sprag with a bolt in outer race will still fail by having the rollers rollover , the Coan or A+A sprag has more rollers so it is virtually impossible to have the rollers fail.

Just replacing the outer race to a bolt in type on a trans that has not had the outer race spin in the case is a waste of time and money.

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