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66 or 67 Belvedere ??? #952489
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I am supposed to go look at a 66 or 67 Belvedere 2dr hardtop driver tonight. Supposedly a number matching low milage original, Word of mouth thing from a car rookie(But You KNOW how that works), So I do not even know what year it is for sure. But it is a 66 or 67. What I do know is the following-
318/auto
500's on the car w new rubber
Factory Buckets and console
No AC Pwr steering
I have seen the car from a distance and it looked pretty decent a couple years ago, But I know VERY little about these cars and have a few???
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Is that 318 a poly?
What swaps bolt in w no serious modifications,like cutting anything on the chassis/body/Fwells?
360?
I expect to upgrade the ign. to electronic so wiring is a non issue. What trans/RE models should I expect to find in it?
Headers?
IF I buy this thing. I want to mildly restify it. Update/upgrade, but not modify or change its original look to the point that it can not be turned back.
I'm not new to rods and muscle just these cars. It has been a LONG time since I did any Mopar stuff (340 Duster in 1975 and a 440 Polara 500 in 1999) so am a rookie at what fits what.

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2 headlites---66.....4 headlites------67. The 6th diget in the VIN number tells the year

Re: 66 or 67 Belvedere ??? [Re: dgas] #952491
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66 will be a poly 318. Any LA will bolt on to it no issues. you can tell if it has 2 bolts holding down the valve covers. will also be a single pot master cylinder.

67 could be a poly if it is from canada. otherwise is first year for LA 318. Again sb should bolt up.

you will have to check balance issues if you go with a 360. As the 318 are neutral, and the 360 is not.

66 I believe still has the smaller shaft on the 727, and you won't be able to use just any aftermarket torque converter.

67 will be a 904. if it is an LA, if it is still a poly then 727

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Thank guys, What are the odds it has a 8 3/4 in it? I know the Hemi cars had Dana's. But I am sure one of these do not. The 360 should use the original 360 flex plate to hook up the converter,not? Or is special order one is necessary? Actually slighly modifying the orignal 318(IF it is a LA motor)is probably all I would need. I am not going racing. If it is a poly I'll probably just look for a 4 bbl intake and put on dual exaust and call it good. If the the car looks and runs near as good as it did a few years ago(I saw it as at a show)its going to be mine. The price is right.

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Thank guys, What are the odds it has a 8 3/4 in it? I know the Hemi cars had Dana's. But I am sure one of these do not. The 360 should use the original 360 flex plate to hook up the converter,not? Or is special order one is necessary? Actually slighly modifying the orignal 318(IF it is a LA motor)is probably all I would need. I am not going racing. If it is a poly I'll probably just look for a 4 bbl intake and put on dual exaust and call it good. If the the car looks and runs near as good as it did a few years ago(I saw it as at a show)its going to be mine. The price is right.




The 360 will be a cast crank and require weld on weights to the converter. good luck finding a 4bbl intake for that 318 poly. Just do the duals and call it a day.


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Re: 66 or 67 Belvedere ??? [Re: dgas] #952494
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Odds are good its an 8 3/4.

How 'bout some pics

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First we have to figure out what exactly he has under the hood. I figured on spending some serious time looking for a poly 4 BBL intake ,maybe an Offenhauser on Ebay or the swap meets.(I go anyway) I'll post up some pics when I get back tomorrow.

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No factory bucket seats in 66 or 67 Belvederes (aside from 67 Belvedere GTX) so if they are factory bucket seats the car is a Satellite

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You know I have always been confused about Satellite/Belvedere/GTX differences, The base was Belvedere right and Satellite and GTX were option upgrades or some such arrangement?? Like I say I am pretty ignorant on Mopars. But that does not prevent me from liking them.

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Basics:

BelvedereI = sedan 2 Door, 4 door, and station wagon
Unique BelvedereI outer body trim, bench seat interior

BelvedereII = hard top, 2 door 4 door, wagon, and convertible
unique BelvedereII bright trim, bench seat interior

Belvedere GTX = 2 door hard top & convertible
bucket seat interior, unique GTX exterior trim

Satellite = 2 door hard top & convertible
bucket seat interior, Unique Satellite exterior trim

Re: 66 or 67 Belvedere ??? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #952499
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Turned out to be a 1966 Satellite w a poly 318 not bad but rust starting in the lower Qtrs and above the rear wheel openings. Crappy blue paint is peeling in many places. I can feel rust bubbles under the poorly added on vinyl top which scares me, I've been there B4. I'll probably pass on both as they are not really what I want. I am put off by the Poly motor and flaking paint. I tend to avoid vinyl top cars as well.
Neither is worth the $4500 he wants for either car to me . BUT I may change my mind later.

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The other car is a 67 Barracuda notchback rust free w a slant six automatic. White bucket seat interior w column shift, The Bcuda is ok but has some dents in problem areas. Other than the hood being changed it is also unmolested which is a plus.

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Don't be fooled by the shiny blue paint it is TERRIBLE and literally falling off the car. The trim and bumpers are very near perfect however.

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The Satt. does have a very nice unmolested interior w the working stock radio.(tho a add on FM converter has been installed.)

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Woodgrain steering wheel, console, solid interior, all trim in good shape, bumpers in good shape, stock and unmolested mid 60's V8 high-optioned B-Body...... I don't know what you expect to find in the $4000 range, but I'd say its at the very least, a fair asking price. If it runs good and had solid paint, I'd expect to see an asking price approaching 10 grand.


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It most likely is a decent asking price,the guy is a mopar guru and I am sure not a rapist. Its just not for me. Call me wierd but I am more attracted to the B'cuda. Just goes to show how little I know about Mopars I guess. I've bought GM's in better shape for less. Mopars always do run higher $ I know. Part of the problem is I am more interested in a Dart/Duster and really dislike the Poly motor idea. Not that I've ever owned one. Had it turned out to be a 67 w a LA motor. We would not be having this discussion I would have it here already. I am just more of a hotrodder at heart where the poly is pretty much worthless in that area as far avail. speed stuff is concerned as far as my research has found. Not knowing what a later model engine swap would entail does not help either. But like I said, I may change my mind or just spend more $ for better car as I am not locked in to 4K as a high limit nor am I in a hurry. If I was still building cars either one of these cars would do. However I no longer can due to health issues. The word is out amongst freinds and fellow club members. I get calls almost daily now so who knows what will turn up. Its pretty much how these two came about.

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Woodgrain steering wheel, console, solid interior, all trim in good shape, bumpers in good shape, stock and unmolested mid 60's V8 high-optioned B-Body...... I don't know what you expect to find in the $4000 range, but I'd say its at the very least, a fair asking price. If it runs good and had solid paint, I'd expect to see an asking price approaching 10 grand.




Boy, I don't know. One problem with the '66-'67's is that rust above the rear wheel opening and in the lower quarter is very common. The last I knew there is NO repop metal available for those areas. Secondly they just do not have the draw of the '68-up B-body Mopars. For these two years you have to just like them because they cost a ton of money to fix that you will never get back. For 10K it would have to be rust free, excellent paint, all good glass and chrome, run well, and have a reasonable interior.


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I agree that 66-67s do not seem to be as popular as 68-70 - I prefer the 66-67s though, and have seen seemingly nice ones advertised in the low teens. If I found one for 10K that need no body work / paint, I'd be sorely tempted.
The poly probably hurts this one a little bit. If the rust were bad in the quarters that would put me off as well. Nice interior, though.

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I did not get a photo of the Qtr rust but it is significant as is the above wheel rust I would be looking at finding at least full length 1/2 Qtrs at the least. I'll be moving on from these two as I think I found my A body-73 Dart, BUT I have not looked at that in person either. In my searching I have found a significant number of decent cars under 7k around the country. So they are out there, just not in my area and shipping is prohibitive. But I'll keep looking. I am going to look at a transplanted 440/auto 73 Satellite today.

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I'd go for the notchback 'Cuda. My favorite Mopar.Some day....

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