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#945555 - 10/15/14 11:17 PM Re: 37 Dodge PU - [Re: Mike P]
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.Yep! Those tires are just right!......

Thanks Gene, Yeah, thats my thought (good thing too Im getting tired of changing tires )

Looks a little lower than my truck.

I think youre right, at least in the front. The Mustang II front end was already on when I bought the truck, and I think it sets a bit lower than stock. Id like to raise it a bit but that would be kind of hard without chopping the whole front end out. I havent measured the front but the top of my rear frame rail is now 20 from the ground (down from the 23 I started with). I also think part of it might be optical illusion too..after studying mine a bit I kind of think the back of the front fender and front of the running board might be sitting a little low. Im going to see if there is any adjustment I can make on that to raise them.

.Mike, we need to both get our trucks on the road and go show them side by side.


Id like that. By the way I saw your post in the E Bay/WIW section.is your engine swap moving up a bit in priority ?




If I found a deal on a donor truck I might pull the trigger
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#945557 - 10/23/14 02:22 AM Re: 37 Dodge PU - [Re: Mike P]
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I mounted up some taller narrower tires for the front and temporarily set the bed back on. Im happy with the spring rate and the way the tire is centered now. It sat pretty low in the back so I moved the temporary shackle brackets down a little more.

This is what I started with.



and this is what it looked like with the tires I had mounted up at the beginning of the project.



After looking at it I thought Id try a bigger tire and to get some more height/rake.



Im used to looking at it with the other wheels and tires, so Im not sure how I like it yet.

Wondering if anyone had any comments or suggestions? (Yeah I know be careful what you ask for)




perfer the bigger rear tire,but with out the white lettering
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#945558 - 10/23/14 02:24 AM Re: 37 Dodge PU - [Re: Mike P]
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that size looks great
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#945559 - 02/03/15 07:36 PM Re: 37 Dodge PU - [Re: fstfish66]
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I got the rear spring hangers a couple of months ago, but with other projects, some cold weather etc I hadn't gotten around to getting them on. We had a real nice day today, so I got around and pulled the bed back off and got the hangers welded in. It's not a lot of progress I guess but it's still progress.

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#945560 - 02/03/15 11:50 PM Re: 37 Dodge PU - [Re: Mike P]
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We got 12" of fresh snow Sunday +lots of blowing and drifting. Everything around here is buried in snow. Progress for me will be seeing the projects again! Gene

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#1858959 - 06/28/15 02:27 PM Re: 37 Dodge PU - Change in Direction [Re: Mike P]
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The 37 got put on hold again while I do an engine/tranny swap into my 87 Dodge Ram 50. I spent the week enlarging the transmission tunnel on the 87 and in the process had the accelerator/emergency brake assembly in and out several times. I was looking at it this morning and it hit me that the setup might work well in the 37, so I walked out to the shed to take a look. It's almost perfect fit. Once I drill 4 holes and bolt it in that's 2 more things off the list.

Fortunately I know were there are a couple of these trucks sitting in the junk yard so once it cools off I'll be making a trip out there.



Edited by Mike P (06/28/15 02:29 PM)
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#1873134 - 07/18/15 06:30 PM Re: 37 Dodge PU - Change in Direction [Re: Mike P]
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As long as it’s just sitting on the test stand I occasionally use the old HEMI for the 37 to test out alternators I rebuild (it’s set up to use a GM alternator). This morning my 2 grandsons were over and the oldest one and I put a new regulator in one that I need for another project.

As we were putting it on the engine to test it out, his younger brother came out and wanted to help. Cade (the older one) showed Austin the bolt that needed tightened and which way to turn the wrench. It just did this old man’s heart good to see those 2 wrenching together (especially on an old dinosaur with a bunch of carburetors).



And yeah they were both grinning from ear to ear when I fired the old girl off to do the output test.
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#2035582 - 03/21/16 07:24 AM Re: 37 Dodge PU - Change in Direction [Re: Mike P]
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After another year on the back burner (and hibernating in the back shed) the 37 may soon be back in the shop. When I stopped on it last year the next step was to find a 518 (46RH) transmission for it. I’d put the word out I was looking but hadn’t come up with anything.

As fate would have it, my friend who runs the machine shop I use has been bitten hard with the “I want to build a Hot Rod bug” He still hasn’t found a body (it will definitely be a Plymouth or Dodge), but knows the engine he wants……a first generation HEMI. A few months back he asked me if the mock-up Hemi (331) that is currently in the truck was complete enough to build. As it turns out I actually do have enough pieces for it to put it together less the parts you would normally replace on a rebuild (pistons, valves, cam, bearings etc).

I told him I wasn’t really interested in selling the parts, but I would trade them to him for a rebuilt 518 transmission and torque convertor. Last week he got back ahold of me and to let me know he’s getting the transmission built for me. He’s using the same shop I normally have build my transmissions so I don’t have any qualms about the quality of the transmission. He’ll be trading out engine work on the transmission builders race car so it looks like all three of us make out pretty well.

I’ve been looking at a couple of options for the OD and converter lockup and was wondering if anyone has used one of there, and their opinion of them.

http://www.hgmelectronics.com/products-compushift-controllers/csm-chrysler
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#2035590 - 03/21/16 07:50 AM Re: 37 Dodge PU - Change in Direction [Re: Mike P]
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up sounds like a good plan because you know the quality of the work involved.
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#2051692 - 04/11/16 08:12 AM Re: 37 Dodge PU - Change in Direction [Re: Mike P]
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I haven’t gotten the 37 back in the shop yet, but hopefully that will happen in a couple of days. I have made a bit of progress in on some of the stuff that needed to be done for it however.


I did get out to the junk yard and picked up the gas pedal/emergency brake assembly that will go in the truck.




I also got a power steering pump hung on the engine. That was a job I had been dreading for quite a while…….I hate sorting out brackets and pulleys. I have used a combination of Hot Hemi heads and PAW brackets and pulleys on the Hemi in the 57 Plymouth. That system requires Hot Heads timing cover, lower pulleys, and a short BB Chevy water pump. Their good quality parts and I haven’t had any problems with the setup in the Plymouth.

That being said there are a couple of issues I foresee with it on the Dodge. The first one is the amount of belt wrap around the water pump. The system works OK on the 57 Plymouth in part due to the Plymouth running AC. There is belt contact on both sides of the water pump pulley from both the alternator belt and the AC belt. I won’t be running AC on the 37 so the belt contact patch would only be on the one side of the pump…….and the contact patch on the PS pump would also be minimal. Then there is the fact that that is an awful long belt and my experience is that long belts are much more likely to flip off under load on high RPM.




Finally I’d be lying if I said that cost isn’t also a factor. While I used the Hot Heads stuff on the 57 Plymouth, I’m currently using mostly stock parts on the motor for the 37. It has the stock thick timing chain cover, stock BB Mopar 4 groove crank pulley, modified Corvette alternator bracket, a 2 groove water pump pulley of unknown origin that happens to fit and line up and the cheaper long style BB Chevy water pump. Buying the timing cover, pulleys, brackets and more expensive short BB Chevy water pump would set me back about $500.


Mostly because of the belt contact issues, I decided to see if I could come up with something different than is currently being offered. I had originally planned on using a Saginaw pump like almost everybody uses and reducing the pressure to be more compatible with the Mustang II power rack. While I was going thru my core pile I came across a couple of old Federal pumps. I looked up the pressure on the pump and while it is still a bit high for the Mustang II rack it is lower than the Saginaw units (and I can reduce it further if needed) so I figured why not.




To make a long story short I pretty much stole a page out of Cadillac’s 500 ci engineering manual. To eliminate the long belt and get good belt wrap around the pulleys I’m running a short belt around the crank pulley, water pump and power steering pump using the PS pump as the tensioner. Then I’m running a second short belt from the second groove in the water pump to the alternator.

Everything lines up great and it took less than 45 minutes to actually modify the pump bracket and build a tensioner bracket to lock the pump in place………figuring everything out and test fitting as I was going pretty much used up a whole day.




It still has to come apart 1 more time, the PS pump I used for mock-up is an unknown quantity (the reason I didn’t spend any time cleaning it and painting it). I have a rebuilt coming in today that will go on to replace it.


With luck the transmission should be here this week and I’ll get started on bolting everything together and into the truck.
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#2055786 - 04/16/16 08:43 PM Re: 37 Dodge PU - Change in Direction [Re: Mike P]
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Well it turned out to be a great Saturday. The wife and I took the 57 Plymouth to breakfast and met up with the kids and grandkids. Afterward my 13year old grandson Cade and I went over to the small car show a couple of blocks away. After wandering around for a bit we headed to my shop to start on the 37 Dodge. We got to Dodge moved from the back shed to the shop and got the front sheetmetal off so we could get the mockup engine and tranny out and tore down the mockup engine to get it over to the guy I traded it to on Monday.

My grandson has turned into a pretty good helper:
















It took up about 4 hours to get it all apart, which I didn’t figure was too bad for an old man with a bad hand and his 13 year old grandson.
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#2056460 - 04/17/16 09:34 PM Re: 37 Dodge PU - Change in Direction [Re: Mike P]
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Good going grandpa! Get em on line at 13 and they are hooked for life! Its an inspiration to see another young one involved. The hobby needs a lot more. Gene

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#2060183 - 04/23/16 06:46 AM Re: 37 Dodge PU - Change in Direction [Re: Mike P]
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The pile of parts that used to be the mockup motor is now with its new owner (who is busily turning it into a functional motor again).

The condition of the steering rack is unknown except that it has sat dry in the truck for at least 15 years so I figured I’d change it out while it was easy to get to……and I’m glad I did. The rack that was in the truck is an OE Ford Mustang II unit. The only units I could find locally turned out to be aftermarket (Overseas) copies. Besides hose fitting issues, there were enough subtle differences that a fair amount of steering shaft rework was also necessary. I know for a fact that even though they are sold as Mustang II racks there is no way they would even come close to fitting in a real Mustang II (I know because I happen to own 2 Mustang IIs with power steering).



I also picked up my transmission Monday. It’s been upgraded with a lot of 47RH internals. After I got the steering rack issues straightened out, I installed the Hot Heads transmission adapter on the enigine.





and then got the transmission bolted up to the engine.





Bolted together that’s close to a 1000 pounds of assembly. shock

I figure I’ll spend some time today figuring out and installing the cable kickdown. After that the unit should be ready to go into the truck.
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#2060510 - 04/23/16 08:55 PM Re: 37 Dodge PU - Change in Direction [Re: Mike P]
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I’m shooting to set the engine and transmission in the truck tomorrow, so I figured I’d get the cable kickdown sorted out this afternoon. I order the El cheapo kickdown kit off E Bay and basically got a bag-o-parts with a cable and a handful of brackets……instructions would probably been usless for my application but it would have been nice to receive some.

For the carburetor end I modified one of the supplied brackets to hold the cable end of the cable and then fabricated a bracket to attach to the center carburetor. I made the carb bracket with several adjustment holes to ensure I would have enough adjustment when it came time to fine tune the kickdown. The bracket is functional, works well, and is easy to get to, but not very pretty.



The reason I didn’t spend a lot of time on the bracket is that once the kickdown is dialed and I’m happy with the adjustment it will be a simple matter to change the 2 center carburetors side to side and the brackets and cable will be hidden between the 2 rows of carbs.


The transmission end of the cable was pretty simple, just one small bracket to build to hold the cable end. I did install the mechanical end of the shift linkage to make sure there wouldn’t be any interference issues with the kickdown and shift linkage.






I’m glad I got the cable installed while the transmission and engine are still on the stand. Once the cooler lines, electrical wiring and shift cable are added it’s going to be a little crowded on that side of the transmission…..and not a lot of fun to work on from underneath.





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#2060968 - 04/24/16 05:42 PM Re: 37 Dodge PU - Change in Direction [Re: Mike P]
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Well this was the 3rd and hopefully last time for me swinging an engine and transmission into the 37 Dodge. I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve had engines and transmissions hanging from that chain hoist but I still get a little nervous when there is a HEMI and transmission hanging up there. It sure is easier and safer than using a cherry picker though.



There are still parts to buy/make and everything to hook up but it’s getting closer.





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#2061250 - 04/25/16 07:22 AM Re: 37 Dodge PU - Change in Direction [Re: Mike P]
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well, the saying goes : "the third time's a charm". looks good !
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#2068453 - 05/06/16 05:05 PM Re: 37 Dodge PU - Change in Direction [Re: Mike P]
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The Ram 50 gas pedal and emergency brake worked out really well.





In case you’re wondering about the fate of the mockup engine I traded for the transmission, it and a bunch of parts that went with it got delivered to the machine shop.





It’s in good hands and the rusty old parts are being brought back to life.

















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#2075424 - 05/17/16 09:11 PM Re: 37 Dodge PU - Change in Direction [Re: Mike P]
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I managed to get a few more things checked off the to do list. I decided to get the driveshaft taken care of. Of course that meant finishing up the rear end. I got the spring clamps installed, set the pinion angle and got the spring perches welded on. As I’m pretty much putting this together like a 60s-70s era hotrod, for now I stuck on an old set of Lakewood slapper bars I had laying around (when those don’t work so well I probably build an adjustable pinion snubber and then finally bite the bullet and pull the bed and build a set of caltracks LOL).





On most builds I can usually find a used driveshaft in the pile that’s the right length and then dig up the correct U Joints to hook everything up. The long 46RH make for a pretty short drive shaft on this one (39”). I ended up shortening one of the longer shafts I had so that’s taken care of and on the truck.




I decided to spend some more time under the truck and get started on the exhaust. I only got as far as building the headpipes, which include the exhaust cut outs for now (I’m currently waiting on a pair of copper flange gaskets so I can install them). Once I get them on I can get the mufflers and most of the exhaust done. I’ll probably end up holding off on tailpipes until I figure out what to do for a rear bumper.




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#2079102 - 05/23/16 09:24 PM Re: 37 Dodge PU - Change in Direction [Re: Mike P]
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I got the rear bumper and exhaust taken care of over the last week. As far as I can tell these trucks didn’t with a rear bumper but I was hoping to find something from that era that I could use. I didn’t find anything at the local wrecking yards that I liked or would work. I did find some metal out in the iron pile that would work so I just built one. It really needs a rear valance/roll pan so one of these days I’ll get around and make a template and take it to one of the local heating and cooling places to have one bent up.

I still don’t have a local muffler shop I like so I got out my pile of exhaust pipes and built my own.




I seemed like I spent almost as much time going to town for parts as I did building the exhaust. I went in Saturday morning to get mufflers, hangers and clamps. I ended up going to one store for the clamps and hangers and then another store for the mufflers. Of course they only had one of the mufflers in stock so I had to make another trip in the afternoon to pick up the other one. I got home and promptly ran out of wire for the mig.





I haven’t decided on what to start on next but there is still a pretty long to do list.
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#2088634 - 06/08/16 08:08 PM Re: 37 Dodge PU - Change in Direction [Re: Mike P]
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In between maintain the other vehicles in my fleet (especially the wife’s car and truck LOL) I’ve started sorting out the cooling system. Of course that dovetails with a few other parts of the project that will be addressed at the same time. Before hanging a radiator and fan I will need to; rewire the headlights, install front turn signals, build brackets for the horn and install the trans cooler and hoses. I also had to decide if I was going to install a heater or not. After going back and forth I finally decided that I would.….mostly to have defrosters for some of the winter cruises I do.

I happened to still have the original radiator for the truck, so getting measurements and seeing how it was originally mounted was where I started.



Nobody lists a replacement radiator for a 37 Dodge so it was more time spent doing a computer search for something that would work. I wasn’t having much luck finding anything that would fit or was affordable. After an hours or so looking at various radiators I remembered the post from another site I use from a guy who had used a first generation Mustang radiator in his 37. The width is right but it could stand to be a few inches taller. I really debated about whether to keep looking for something bigger or to go ahead and order one. I eventually ended up deciding to take a chance on a 2 row (1 inch tubes) and see how it does. My thinking is the engine is only 341 cubic inches, it will have open hood sides and it will not have AC (and without the AC it will stay in the garage on those 100 degree days we have grin ).

The radiator has a built in transmission cooler but as the fittings are only ¼” NPT and the 46RH uses 3/8" lines I won’t be using it. So I also ended up ordering a remote transmission cooler.


While I was waiting on the radiator and trans cooler to come in I decided to get started on the heater. As I’ve been trying to keep the majority of the things I put on the truck pre 1970, I happened to have the perfect candidate, an old Arvin unit that I had pulled from a 1950s truck.





The motor and switch were good but it needed a new core. Fortunately a little time with the catalog at the parts store and I found one that could be adapted.



It mounts up out of the way but the switch is a bit difficult to get to so I’ll leave it set to high and use a switch in the dash to turn it on and off.





I decided to use an old style water control valves that most of these add on heaters came with. I remember these from couple of the old trucks we had on the farm when I was growing up…….turn them on in the fall and off in the spring LOL.


Naturally the water pump I’m using doesn’t have a fitting on the inlet side for the heater return hose and none of the radiators I was looking at had them either so I picked up an inline adapter with a 3/8” pipe fitting.





I’ll probably get started on rewiring the headlights, horn and turn signals first and then get the radiator and cooler (which came in today) fitted in the nose. The electric fan in the picture is a left over from another project and I’m still kicking back and forth about whether to use it or a mechanical fan.




Of course now that I dragged out the electrical stuff, doing the rest of the wiring will probably be the next project.







Edited by Mike P (06/08/16 08:13 PM)
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