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Re: Torsion Bar 2" Drop Spindles ? [Re: TC@HP2] #934030
02/22/11 04:15 PM
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I'd definitely avoid the Fatman from a safety perspective. Get a one piece unit now that they're available.



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Re: Torsion Bar 2" Drop Spindles ? [Re: Keith Black®] #934031
02/23/11 10:55 AM
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Any options out there for drum brakes?


So the bartender says to the horse " Gee, Why the long face?"
Re: Torsion Bar 2" Drop Spindles ? [Re: 1OFNONE] #934032
02/23/11 05:54 PM
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Never seen any thing for drum brakes.

From the looks of it, you could turn the t-bars down a bit more. You can get a couple inches out of that method before the rear starts to look funny for sticking up so high. You can get creative with bump stops to open up a little more room for movement as well.

Re: Torsion Bar 2" Drop Spindles ? [Re: Keith Black®] #934033
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I'd definitely avoid the Fatman from a safety perspective. Get a one piece unit now that they're available.




That is a "One piece cast unit" Yes it probably is ductile iron, but can never compare to the factory forged units. I agree that the weight savings would be well worth it. But as far as strength, I doubt their is anything worth comparing. For those of you who already have either of these spindles....Run'Em....A properly executed weld joint is as strong as the parent metal.

Re: Torsion Bar 2" Drop Spindles ? [Re: Bill MeLater] #934034
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I'd definitely avoid the Fatman from a safety perspective. Get a one piece unit now that they're available.




That is a "One piece cast unit" Yes it probably is ductile iron, but can never compare to the factory forged units. I agree that the weight savings would be well worth it. But as far as strength, I doubt their is anything worth comparing. For those of you who already have either of these spindles....Run'Em....A properly executed weld joint is as strong as the parent metal.




Mopar Action (Apr '11) did a test on the drop spindles, the MF unit, although cast is very strong. Unable to pass tech & engineering to get vehicle registration (& insurance) with welded spindles here in Australia. probably for a reason.


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Re: Torsion Bar 2" Drop Spindles ? [Re: Keith Black®] #934035
02/24/11 01:33 AM
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Unable to pass tech & engineering to get vehicle registration (& insurance) with welded spindles here in Australia. probably for a reason.





Sounds like Calif and Australia are lot closer then I thought.

And I agree on the comment on a proper weld strenght. And "probably for a reason" is not always the reason one would hope for, but ignorance is bliss. Read the XV thread and just grind the welds smooth, beadblast the spindle, and tell the inspectors if they ask its a custom shotpeened billet spindle. So whats next, non welded steel wheels?


Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
Re: Torsion Bar 2" Drop Spindles ? [Re: jcc] #934036
02/24/11 06:28 AM
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Unable to pass tech & engineering to get vehicle registration (& insurance) with welded spindles here in Australia. probably for a reason.





Sounds like Calif and Australia are lot closer then I thought.

And I agree on the comment on a proper weld strenght. And "probably for a reason" is not always the reason one would hope for, but ignorance is bliss. Read the XV thread and just grind the welds smooth, beadblast the spindle, and tell the inspectors if they ask its a custom shotpeened billet spindle. So whats next, non welded steel wheels?





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Re: Torsion Bar 2" Drop Spindles ? [Re: Keith Black®] #934037
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And the "reason" is probably a lot closer to it being a law passed by uninformed government bueacrats than any actual research.

Re: Torsion Bar 2" Drop Spindles ? [Re: TC@HP2] #934038
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And the "reason" is probably a lot closer to it being a law passed by uninformed government bueacrats than any actual research.





Yep.
and also the engineers who have to certify the cars don't want to be sued by insurance companies if there's a failure. despite what your may believe Australia is worse in terms of litigation than Cali I reckon.



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Re: Torsion Bar 2" Drop Spindles ? [Re: Keith Black®] #934039
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And the "reason" is probably a lot closer to it being a law passed by uninformed government bueacrats than any actual research.





Yep.
and also the engineers who have to certify the cars don't want to be sued by insurance companies if there's a failure. despite what your may believe Australia is worse in terms of litigation than Cali I reckon.




Ya'll use the term "I reckon" down there or are you just funnin'?

Re: Torsion Bar 2" Drop Spindles ? [Re: Bill MeLater] #934040
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Re: Torsion Bar 2" Drop Spindles ? [Re: Keith Black®] #934041
02/25/11 01:42 AM
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And the "reason" is probably a lot closer to it being a law passed by uninformed government bueacrats than any actual research.





Yep.
and also the engineers who have to certify the cars don't want to be sued by insurance companies if there's a failure. despite what your may believe Australia is worse in terms of litigation than Cali I reckon.






Should see the amount of records kept for vehicles done through the RAWS setup... for the 2010 Camaros we did, there is a a huge binder full of info with pictures and specs on every single change done to the car


I know another guy who is an engineer too (around Melbourne), and he has specs and info on tons of stuff that they check and record for modified older cars (like all the stuff you have been doing.)


Re: Torsion Bar 2" Drop Spindles ? [Re: Keith Black®] #934042
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Right on! You Guy's gotta have your $hit together to run Mopars down there.....

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