Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 4 of 5 1 2 3 4 5
Re: Tuning a Holley 750 [Re: Chilort] #911918
02/04/11 01:42 AM
02/04/11 01:42 AM
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 10,200
Someplace you aren't
S
SomeCarGuy Online content
I Live Here
SomeCarGuy  Online Content
I Live Here
S

Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 10,200
Someplace you aren't
I did a quick scan of the thread, didn't see these things, forgive me if this was covered already.

-looks like you changed the vac spring before the engine was ran w/ this carb. Very easy to get the diaphram off center. Could have a huge vac leak at the pod.

-are you running a choke? I was having fits w/ my 3310 and another member pointed out that there is a hole that needs to be plugged if it is removed. Looks like a screw hole, I didn;t even think it was anythign until that was pointed out. I put a self tapping screw in and my carb now runs fine.

-I bet you have a vac leak someplace. If not at the above spots, someplace. Have you went over all of the intake areas with carb cleaner to check?

-how sure are you that the TDC mark is reliable? Maybe you have a bunch more timing than you think.

-have you tried different gas stations?

I really find it hard to believe that a 9.2 to 1 engine w/ aluminum heads pings on 93 octane w/o any vac advance at all. The jets you have in there just sound way too big. The plugs should be pretty dark, unless extra air is coming in somewhere. There has to be something missing in this picture.


I want my fair share
Re: Tuning a Holley 750 [Re: SomeCarGuy] #911919
02/04/11 11:25 AM
02/04/11 11:25 AM
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,226
Cookeville
Chilort Offline OP
Will Work For Mopars
Chilort  Offline OP
Will Work For Mopars

Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,226
Cookeville
Quote:

-looks like you changed the vac spring before the engine was ran w/ this carb. Very easy to get the diaphram off center. Could have a huge vac leak at the pod.


-- nope, changed it while it was on the engine.

Quote:

-are you running a choke?


-- running a choke.

Quote:

-I bet you have a vac leak someplace. If not at the above spots, someplace. Have you went over all of the intake areas with carb cleaner to check?


-- I have not done this.

Quote:

-how sure are you that the TDC mark is reliable? Maybe you have a bunch more timing than you think.


I am not sure. But the initial makes sense based on other's setups. I dialed it in with the max vac then pull back 1 inhg method. Total mechanical is then relative to the initial. Maybe it is still too much and I could try to take even more out.


Quote:

-have you tried different gas stations?


-- Yes

Quote:

I really find it hard to believe that a 9.2 to 1 engine w/ aluminum heads pings on 93 octane w/o any vac advance at all.


--- Me too. I didn't check any plugs after I finished up last night. I guess I'll start plugging off ports (not that this has many accessories) to see if maybe that's the issue.

Re: Tuning a Holley 750 [Re: Chilort] #911920
02/04/11 11:29 AM
02/04/11 11:29 AM
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 8,020
Pangaea
B5 Bee Offline
master
B5 Bee  Offline
master

Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 8,020
Pangaea
You need to find the problem.
Lower rear gears and spark plugs won't fix a carb problem.

There are two things that will make it sneeze back when you punch it, slow timing and/or a lean condition.

10 sizes larger on the jets is crazy. It may eliminate the symptoms but the problem still exists. Seldom does any motor with a Holley perf carb need more than 4 jets sizes up.
My first guess is you have a problem with the power valve circuit. A bad power valve, a power valve with too low of a rating, or a stopped up passage.
My second guess is it's lean on the accelerator pump circuit. Nozzles should be big enough if it doesn't sneeze when you hit it from an idle. Make sure have a pump cam that still has travel from half to full throttle.
If you want to eliminate the chance it's the secondaries opening too soon, disconnect them and try it on primaries only. BTW, the spring has only a small effect of when the secondaries open. The main control is something called a kill bleed. Although one will effect the other, basically, the kill bleed controls when the secondaries start to open, the spring controls how long it takes to get them fully open.

Remember that there are 5 fuel delivery circuits in a Holley.
-idle ports, from the idle mix screws
-transfer slot, near the idle ports
-acclerator pump system, delivers fuel to squirt nozzles
-power valve system, delivers fuel to boosters
-main jets, delivers fuel to boosters

The goal is to find and fix the problem, not just eliminate the symptoms.
You have understand how something works before you can fix it, GRASSHOPPER.

Re: Tuning a Holley 750 [Re: B5 Bee] #911921
02/04/11 12:09 PM
02/04/11 12:09 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 5,788
Hamilton, Ontario Canada
Magnum Offline
master
Magnum  Offline
master

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 5,788
Hamilton, Ontario Canada
If your spring is compressing, I'd aim your efforts there.

Let's assume the spring is weak or there is too much resistance in the squirter circuit. Switching to a hollow shooter screw AND/OR shimming the spring will help.

Unlike bigger jets and bigger shooters. This modification will not consume more fuel.


69 Super Bee, 93 Mustang LX, 04 Allure Super
Re: Tuning a Holley 750 [Re: B5 Bee] #911922
02/04/11 07:20 PM
02/04/11 07:20 PM
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,226
Cookeville
Chilort Offline OP
Will Work For Mopars
Chilort  Offline OP
Will Work For Mopars

Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,226
Cookeville
I'm really unfamiliar with the power valve system. When does it start to work and what would be symptoms of a bad power valve? [Edit - never mind, just read through some info on Holley's site and it sounds like mine is still working and wouldn't be the cause of my problem regardless.]

I can't really try anything until it quits raining here and that's going to be a few days.

Re: Tuning a Holley 750 [Re: Chilort] #911923
02/05/11 12:51 PM
02/05/11 12:51 PM
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,226
Cookeville
Chilort Offline OP
Will Work For Mopars
Chilort  Offline OP
Will Work For Mopars

Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,226
Cookeville
Going to go pick up a 3.23 gear set in a 489 case today. Isn't likely to solve all the issues but will be a better overall gear set for my combo.

Re: Tuning a Holley 750 [Re: Chilort] #911924
02/05/11 12:57 PM
02/05/11 12:57 PM
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 10,200
Someplace you aren't
S
SomeCarGuy Online content
I Live Here
SomeCarGuy  Online Content
I Live Here
S

Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 10,200
Someplace you aren't
Pick up a can or two of carb cleaner while you are out.


I want my fair share
Re: Tuning a Holley 750 [Re: SomeCarGuy] #911925
02/05/11 01:29 PM
02/05/11 01:29 PM
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,226
Cookeville
Chilort Offline OP
Will Work For Mopars
Chilort  Offline OP
Will Work For Mopars

Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,226
Cookeville
Maybe I never said I did that but I sprayed the entire thing down with a can of carb cleaner while I had it off the engine to convert it to 4150 and rebuild my fuel line last weekend. It made no difference in how it works. But it is all shiny and clean on the inside now.

Re: Tuning a Holley 750 [Re: Chilort] #911926
02/05/11 02:22 PM
02/05/11 02:22 PM
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 10,200
Someplace you aren't
S
SomeCarGuy Online content
I Live Here
SomeCarGuy  Online Content
I Live Here
S

Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 10,200
Someplace you aren't
You need to check for leaks. Not about cleaning anything. You are about 99% sure to find that you have a vaccum leak.

Re: Tuning a Holley 750 [Re: SomeCarGuy] #911927
02/05/11 09:13 PM
02/05/11 09:13 PM
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,226
Cookeville
Chilort Offline OP
Will Work For Mopars
Chilort  Offline OP
Will Work For Mopars

Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,226
Cookeville
Gotcha.

Re: Tuning a Holley 750 [Re: Mr.Yuck] #911928
02/05/11 10:18 PM
02/05/11 10:18 PM
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 1,894
Mira Loma, CA
69B3GT Offline
top fuel
69B3GT  Offline
top fuel

Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 1,894
Mira Loma, CA
Quote:

it won't get any better until you get some gear. Putting a 2.73 in a 440 car is like having a pretty girl friend that has bad breath. yeah you can get past it but it will take a second or 3.




Words cant describe how hard I just laughed

Re: Tuning a Holley 750 [Re: SomeCarGuy] #911929
02/06/11 04:36 PM
02/06/11 04:36 PM
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,226
Cookeville
Chilort Offline OP
Will Work For Mopars
Chilort  Offline OP
Will Work For Mopars

Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,226
Cookeville
Quote:

You need to check for leaks. Not about cleaning anything. You are about 99% sure to find that you have a vaccum leak.




I worked my way around the carb ... no problem.
Went around the outside of the intake manifold ... no problem.
Sprayed into the valley tray area ... problem.

Time to try to fix it.

Re: Tuning a Holley 750 [Re: Chilort] #911930
02/06/11 05:28 PM
02/06/11 05:28 PM
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,226
Cookeville
Chilort Offline OP
Will Work For Mopars
Chilort  Offline OP
Will Work For Mopars

Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,226
Cookeville
Nothing in the intake runners to indicate that it was sucking oil. I'd used a full set of intake minfold gaskets on both the top and bottom of the bath tub pan. I guess I need to figure out how that is going to work because what I had on clearly didn't. And I used Gasgacinch to seal it up even.

Re: Tuning a Holley 750 [Re: Chilort] #911931
02/06/11 05:45 PM
02/06/11 05:45 PM
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 21,819
Kirkland, Washington
Pacnorthcuda Offline
Too Many Posts
Pacnorthcuda  Offline
Too Many Posts

Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 21,819
Kirkland, Washington
Quote:

Nothing in the intake runners to indicate that it was sucking oil. I'd used a full set of intake minfold gaskets on both the top and bottom of the bath tub pan. I guess I need to figure out how that is going to work because what I had on clearly didn't. And I used Gasgacinch to seal it up even.




It could be the gaskets moved over time and led to the leak. Very common. I superglue the fiber gaskets to the valley pan before install so I KNOW they wont move.

Re: Tuning a Holley 750 [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #911932
02/06/11 05:56 PM
02/06/11 05:56 PM
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 7,195
Harrisburg, Pa.
screamindriver Offline
master
screamindriver  Offline
master

Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 7,195
Harrisburg, Pa.
Spray copper adhesive holds them tight also...

Re: Tuning a Holley 750 [Re: screamindriver] #911933
02/06/11 09:05 PM
02/06/11 09:05 PM
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,226
Cookeville
Chilort Offline OP
Will Work For Mopars
Chilort  Offline OP
Will Work For Mopars

Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,226
Cookeville
Time to run it over to the machine shop I guess. I resealed the entire thing with new gaskets and it still pings when driven and still bogs slightly when I spay carb cleaner under the intake.

Re: Tuning a Holley 750 [Re: Chilort] #911934
02/06/11 10:39 PM
02/06/11 10:39 PM
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 10,200
Someplace you aren't
S
SomeCarGuy Online content
I Live Here
SomeCarGuy  Online Content
I Live Here
S

Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 10,200
Someplace you aren't
Quote:

still bogs slightly when I spay carb cleaner under the intake.





Re: Tuning a Holley 750 [Re: SomeCarGuy] #911935
03/05/11 08:21 PM
03/05/11 08:21 PM
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,226
Cookeville
Chilort Offline OP
Will Work For Mopars
Chilort  Offline OP
Will Work For Mopars

Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,226
Cookeville
Okay, I sealed up the intake one more time. Now, I cannot find a vacuum leak at all.

Still pings.

I installed a 3.23 gear set.

Still pings, but at a different speed (though I cannot tell you exactly because I forgot to pick up the speed-o gear for this setup -- tires are 26" tall).


Re: Tuning a Holley 750 [Re: Chilort] #911936
03/06/11 01:23 AM
03/06/11 01:23 AM
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 62
montreal, quebec,canada
7
7e5dartsport Offline
member
7e5dartsport  Offline
member
7

Joined: May 2009
Posts: 62
montreal, quebec,canada
i read about it since the beginning and because you tried different timing positions, i dont think its timing-related. a couple of years ago, ihad a similar bog at part throttle and a bigger shooter didnt correct it. a high flow power valve did, and i suggest you try holley number 125-165. first confirm it is the primaries that are lean by disconnecting the vaccuum pot from the secondaries by removing the small clip at the end of the shaft.make sure the secondaries cannot open and go for a ride. if it still bogs or pings you know the problem lies in the primary circuit and you should try the hi-flow power valve. you could also try to momentarily plug the pcv hose with a pair of vise-grips, it should help too.


fully legal sounds the same as full illegal...
Re: Tuning a Holley 750 [Re: 7e5dartsport] #911937
03/06/11 05:02 PM
03/06/11 05:02 PM
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,226
Cookeville
Chilort Offline OP
Will Work For Mopars
Chilort  Offline OP
Will Work For Mopars

Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,226
Cookeville
I disconnected the secondary vac can and locked the blades shut. I went for a drive and it pings just like it always does.

I've never heard of one of these high flow power valves.

By the time I'm done with this there will be nothing original left of my 750 Holley that "works" right out of the box.

Page 4 of 5 1 2 3 4 5






Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.1