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Ford Thunderbolt vs Max Wedge Stage III #897172
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What motor/combo was faster and produced the most HP, The 427 Thunderbolt or a 63 Max Wedge Dodge or Plymouth?

Here's a look at the Thunderbolt specs:

http://musclecars.howstuffworks.com/classic-muscle-cars/1964-ford-thunderbolt.htm

Re: Ford Thunderbolt vs Max Wedge Stage III [Re: B1Fish540] #897173
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Re: Ford Thunderbolt vs Max Wedge Stage III [Re: actionange] #897174
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Check out the A/S final at Indy 2010 on you tube-----The 66 Ply is a Hemi---------now you tell me.....

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What motor/combo was faster and produced the most HP, The 427 Thunderbolt or a 63 Max Wedge Dodge or Plymouth?

Here's a look at the Thunderbolt specs:

http://musclecars.howstuffworks.com/classic-muscle-cars/1964-ford-thunderbolt.htm


The 1964 427 Ford Fairlane Thunderbolts where way faster than the 1963 425 HP Max Wedge cars, they where also faster than the 1964 425 HP M.W. cars The 1964 M.W motors had better flowing heads, bigger carbs, bigger lift and duration cams and better intake than the 1963 M.W motors had That is why Mopar ended up designing and making the 426 race Hemi so they could keep up with the dual quad, 427 high Risor Thunderbolts, once they found out that the Ford Thundebolts would outrun the factory M.W. race cars

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Re: Ford Thunderbolt vs Max Wedge Stage III [Re: Cab_Burge] #897176
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Check out the A/S final at Indy 2010 on you tube-----The 66 Ply is a Hemi---------now you tell me.....


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Re: Ford Thunderbolt vs Max Wedge Stage III [Re: Cab_Burge] #897178
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Just check and see how much faster the Max Wedges were at the 64 Winternats. Heck the Max Wedge was the fastest SS cars there and the Hemi had not even hit the track yet. Butch Leal won the stick class in his Thunderbolt at 12.10 and the auto Max Wedge cars ran like 11.70's and won the auto class of course. I think it was Indy in 64 that the old Ramcharger 63 car ran 11.30's and outran everything there. Closes Thuderbolt was around 11.70 I believe. Ron

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Check out the A/S final at Indy 2010 on you tube-----The 66 Ply is a Hemi---------now you tell me.....




The 66 Plymouth in that race comes in approx 400lbs heavier than the Thunderbolt..Street Hemi with less compression and less cam. Two very nice cars and a great Race!

I always thought the 68 Hemi Darts and Cudas were a better comparison to the Thunderbolt..more apples to apples!

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alot of these early cars were auto trans cars.. not C6s but wierd Lincoln 3spds..not very fast..Firestone 500 slicks tha t were horrible. Took awhile to sort them out, but the good running max wedge cars would beat them...now NHRA legal AA/Sa pretty close.


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Re: Ford Thunderbolt vs Max Wedge Stage III [Re: Cab_Burge] #897181
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What motor/combo was faster and produced the most HP, The 427 Thunderbolt or a 63 Max Wedge Dodge or Plymouth?

Here's a look at the Thunderbolt specs:

http://musclecars.howstuffworks.com/classic-muscle-cars/1964-ford-thunderbolt.htm


The 1964 427 Ford Fairlane Thunderbolts where way faster than the 1963 425 HP Max Wedge cars, they where also faster than the 1964 425 HP M.W. cars The 1964 M.W motors had better flowing heads, bigger carbs, bigger lift and duration cams and better intake than the 1963 M.W motors had That is why Mopar ended up designing and making the 426 race Hemi so they could keep up with the dual quad, 427 high Risor Thunderbolts, once they found out that the Ford Thundebolts would outrun the factory M.W. race cars




Ford had an edge till Ma Mopar put her cars on "diet programs" and enforced "deep breathing" exercises.
Some of those 64' M-W's wound up at the finish line BEFORE those T-Bolts! Chrysler was ahead of most others with their
chassis/drivetrain technology. And where they were lacking in
some topend power, they had MORE THAN ENOUGH down low and midrange to get off the line first and hold it through the quarter!! The FORD 427 had a stronger edge in NASCAR, that is what brought the HEMI BACK to the performance table. NHRA Racing reaped the benefits also, since it was found to be just as STRONG or EVEN STRONGER than the Ford 427 in quarter-mile racing!!



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Re: Ford Thunderbolt vs Max Wedge Stage III [Re: HYPER8oSoNic] #897182
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That was a good race...that start gave me goosebumps

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At one time NHRA classified the T/bolt as a SS/B or C car. The Max Wedges were SS/D E or F. NHRA rated them as HP to weight. Now they need to work on current model cars.

Re: Ford Thunderbolt vs Max Wedge Stage III [Re: B1Fish540] #897184
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...I knew this pic would come in handy someday.

...see attachment.

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The 66 Plymouth in that race comes in approx 400lbs heavier than the Thunderbolt..Street Hemi with less compression and less cam. Two very nice cars and a great Race!





Not that it would have made much difference but isn't it interesting that an A Stock 1966 Hemi Belvedere is allowed to run the 67 RO style hood scoop when no factory 66 Hemi Plymouth came with (any type) of hood scoop.

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That car has been around a long time, I remember seeing him race at Pomona years ago in B/S. I'll bet that he has changed it from a 1966 Street Hemi(small carbs0 to a 1967 RO race hemi(w/big carbs) car to run in A/S or AA/S If I was going to run a hemi in NHRA Stock it would not be one of those cars, it would be a 1964 410HP race Hemi in a Plymouth Savoy


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...I knew this pic would come in handy someday.

...see attachment.




very cool! Guess that proves the Thunderbolts could be beat...and often were! The Honker was my favorte car, next to the Ramchargers when i was growing up.

I think the 426 hemi may have been more of an answer to the Ford Cammer/Hemi than to the BB in the Fairlane.

Notice it does say A/FX on Buds window, tho.

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That's an interesting wheelie bar on Calvert's car, seems to work well in his videos.


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Re: Ford Thunderbolt vs Max Wedge Stage III [Re: 383man] #897189
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Just check and see how much faster the Max Wedges were at the 64 Winternats. Heck the Max Wedge was the fastest SS cars there and the Hemi had not even hit the track yet. Butch Leal won the stick class in his Thunderbolt at 12.10 and the auto Max Wedge cars ran like 11.70's and won the auto class of course. I think it was Indy in 64 that the old Ramcharger 63 car ran 11.30's and outran everything there. Closes Thuderbolt was around 11.70 I believe. Ron





100% with ya!!
Well 383 man, you ARE running the PROOF of Max-Wedge Performance!! History will repeat itself again, when you max (cube) the Max-Wedge combo. Great pix, man!! Keepin' em' (competition) guessing at the tree!!



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That car has been around a long time, I remember seeing him race at Pomona years ago in B/S. I'll bet that he has changed it from a 1966 Street Hemi(small carbs0 to a 1967 RO race hemi(w/big carbs) car to run in A/S or AA/S If I was going to run a hemi in NHRA Stock it would not be one of those cars, it would be a 1964 410HP race Hemi in a Plymouth Savoy




G-O-O-D Choice, Cab!! Lighter weight, I
would think on the Savoy! However, my choice would be the M-W, always stayed true to ram induction/crossrams on a wedge motor . Nothing wrong at all with the "ELEPHANT" motor, I just prefer them in 67'-68' B-bodies.



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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsis4EQeDCE
That was a good race...that start gave me goosebumps




Great matchup!! If the Plymouth had not hung such a long, high wheelie, it would have WON!
Caught too much air!!



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