Well, I tried to put my motor in today
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However, ran into a slight snag with the new oil pump and lines hitting the K frame.
I cut as much off as I dared trying to gain clearance for the side inlet
But while it goes in there is no room for the fitting or for the line to reach the the pan.
It looks like I might be able to access the rear port if I was to get rid of the stock mounts and do a little cutting.
The rear port seems to line up where the red circle is
My thoughts were if I cut the mount pads off the k frame where the red lines are
And then weld in a piece of steel to reinforce the gear box mount where I have these arrows
If I do all that it looks like I'll gain the room I need to run this system but then I'll be forced to run a motor plate.
Does anyone see a problem with this or maybe see another possible solution that I haven't thought of yet?
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my pump is like that.i had to run the oil line to the front after i ground the part of the bracket in front all the way to the k frame.
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my pump is like that.i had to run the oil line to the front after i ground the part of the bracket in front all the way to the k frame.
Please tell me you have some pics of that Mike?
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I had to do the same to fit the milidon oilpump with duel oil lines
now its a single oil line
now that the moter is out reinforce the steering bracket and box it up
my manual streering box was moving the bracet over when the car was on the ground
theres a lot of strease (sp) there
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? might be a good time to call Bondo Bob....maybe one of his K frames ??
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Earlier K frames must have more room there
I thought about a 90* fitting but can't see it fitting in there.
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Another view with the factory mount & brackets bolted on the motor.
Ron
Do you have a pic of it in the car?
DO they make a 90* O ring fitting or did you piece something together?
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Earlier K frames must have more room there
I thought about a 90* fitting but can't see it fitting in there.
Bill, I have the same k-frame as you.
It will fit but you have to grind some scallops out of that bracing. I'm even running power steering on mine....it's tight but it does fit.
Ron
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Earlier K frames must have more room there
I thought about a 90* fitting but can't see it fitting in there.
Bill, I have the same k-frame as you.
It will fit but you have to grind some scallops out of that bracing. I'm even running power steering on mine....it's tight but it does fit.
Ron
What fitting did you use in the pump cover?
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Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today
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Another view with the factory mount & brackets bolted on the motor.
Ron
Do you have a pic of it in the car?
DO they make a 90* O ring fitting or did you piece something together?
Dwayne put the oiling system together so i'm not sure exactly what he used on the back of the pump ?
I don't have any pics of it in the car unfortunately. It took several trial fits to get it just right. I'm using factory rubber biscuit mounts that have been re-inforced so i don't know if that makes a difference or not.
Ron
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Bill, it's time for one of Andy's 3/8" motor plates
I would need another pair of pump gaskets then
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Bill...why not just make a motor plate?...
that thing needs a motor plate anyway I think.
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Bill, it's time for one of Andy's 3/8" motor plates
I would need another pair of pump gaskets then
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no gaskets if you use a motor plate
ultra grey silicon only
vibration will kill Inferior gaskets and will leak
Fixed it for ya Ari
Motor Plate, Motor Plate, Motor Plate,
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I had the same problem and found this fitting on e-bay. Earls #849012 90deg. 12AN o-ring to 12AN swivel -seal to hose end $24.95 { at buy it now price } E-BAY # 150274214939 The 12 AN o-ring end screws into the pump , the other end , the hose is put on the fitting so it eliminates the extra fitting. Both ends swivel.
it's ok to butt heads, just don't do it with a butthead
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bill for what it worth i really like the 90 to 90 degree option just not a 'plate ' fan at all i have seen the alumim 'charge' forward under de ecelleration top end start seeing tranny pony tails break j m o
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I had the same problem and found this fitting on e-bay. Earls #849012 90deg. 12AN o-ring to 12AN swivel -seal to hose end $24.95 { at buy it now price } E-BAY # 150274214939 The 12 AN o-ring end screws into the pump , the other end , the hose is put on the fitting so it eliminates the extra fitting. Both ends swivel.
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/EAR-849012ERL/?rtype=1
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I had the same problem and found this fitting on e-bay. Earls #849012 90deg. 12AN o-ring to 12AN swivel -seal to hose end $24.95 { at buy it now price } E-BAY # 150274214939 The 12 AN o-ring end screws into the pump , the other end , the hose is put on the fitting so it eliminates the extra fitting. Both ends swivel.
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/EAR-849012ERL/?rtype=1
Do you think some one at Summit is dyslexic ? got the Earl's e-bay price of $24.95 and put down $42.95
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Do you think some one at Summit is dyslexic ? got the Earl's e-bay price of $24.95 and put down $42.95
The E bag listing has the same 42.95
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Earls-Per...sQ5fAccessories
That's why I posted it so you could verify if it was the same one you used or I looked it up wrong
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Would this be the right one?
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/EAR-949012ERL/
Is the dimensions they list for "fitting size 2" the same as a -12?
Yes, that is just the OD for -12 male threads. Both share the same 3/4-16 thread. SAE O-ring boss and JIC (AN) have the same thread pitch.
You can go the industrial fitting route and spend less than $5.00 6801-12-12-FG or 12-C5OX
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Now I get it,
Ad # 150274214939 is from a different seller. Not Summit Racing Equip.
Its about time
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Now I get it,
Ad # 150274214939 is from a different seller. Not Summit Racing Equip.
Yup! Same part, same manufacture,
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I wonder if you could just cut a hole where your red circle was in the picture, then put whatever diameter pipe to run the oil line through the area and weld around it all, I don't know if that would be more of a hassle or if I even explained it enough to understand. Just trying to offer a suggestion.
Better get inside Ma. Looks like a storm's comin'.
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I wonder if you could just cut a hole where your red circle was in the picture, then put whatever diameter pipe to run the oil line through the area and weld around it all, I don't know if that would be more of a hassle or if I even explained it enough to understand. Just trying to offer a suggestion.
If you'll study the pic above the one with the circle where I have the motor sitting on the mounts I think you'll see that my "circle" isn't quite to scale and that most of the fitting/line routing would be where the motor mount now resides.
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At this point hosre racing is looking mighty tempting
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I put one of Any F's motor plates in my ride and it cured all my clearance issues. I then took a torch to all the extra mount supports and had all the room in the world for the external oil pump & lines. Also helps strengthen the frame and with the And f plate you dont have to worry about the engine shift foreward or back its 3/8'' thick and solid. Also inspires you to lighten your kframe. I'm sure road hazzard can help with the extra w/p gaskets
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you dont have to worry about the engine shift foreward or back its 3/8'' thick and solid.
I thought you had to run a limiter with any type of motor palte
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I'm sorry wild bill. That plate isn't 3/8'' its 3/4''
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you dont have to worry about the engine shift foreward or back its 3/8'' thick and solid.
I thought you had to run a limiter with any type of motor palte
Limiters are easy to make though. Took maybe a day for mine and we had to take it to a friend to get it welded because I don't have a tig and we made it in CM.
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on my pump cover 1 line comes out the front. the other comes out the back. if you want pics lemme know.
Is it in a stock K frame using factory mounts and steering?
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you dont have to worry about the engine shift foreward or back its 3/8'' thick and solid.
I thought you had to run a limiter with any type of motor palte
You should... a vertical plate doesnt do much for holding a fore and aft load(it still bows and if it moves enought you push the drive shaft into the trans... and you dont need that
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Raff, that's what I thought.
No, I don't have any extra fittings to try out.
At this point I'm leaning towards one of the types that I linked previously.
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Bill with all your hardships over that last several months every little thing like this has to stress ya out! Hope you lay down a low number when ya get back out and crack a nice cold one to celebrate!
Thanks
I will admit is is starting to wear on me. I'm not really sure what my breaking point is but I'm not quite there yet.
I hope
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Well, it looks like my decision on what to do just got a lot easier.
I gotta call this evening from Gorski telling me he had a motor plate I could use if I needed it.
I owe you big time Rick
And fair warning.............
Expect more dumb questions that have probably been asked 1000 times once I get the plate and start working on getting it in
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I'll cancel the new K frame i just ordered for ya...
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Bill, dont fret little buddy.... I have the milodon dual line kit in my car with 100% stock front suspension.
I do run a motor plate, but I use the stock passenger side motor mount as a limiter...
That oughta work just fine. I ran 1 limiter on my car with 1/4" plates front and rear until I put in the 572. Then I added one on the other side just to be sure the motor/trans weren't twisting.
I had the 1 limiter deal on the car for around 15 years with no drivetrain problems. Well, come to think of it, I did crack 1 Powerglide bellhousing after maybe 1500 passes. With the new motor and 2 limiters I broke 3 bellhousings this year.
If you do what Josh recommends I bet you'll be in hog heaven.
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Here I thought one of the big advantages of the plate was getting rid of the stock motor mounts and gaining more room.
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on my pump cover 1 line comes out the front. the other comes out the back. if you want pics lemme know.
Is it in a stock K frame using factory mounts and steering?
no eng mounts i have a front plate.
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on my pump cover 1 line comes out the front. the other comes out the back. if you want pics lemme know.
Is it in a stock K frame using factory mounts and steering?
no eng mounts i have a front plate.
Same here - Andy's engine plate and no mounts and no limiters
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Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH
WILD BILL
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Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club
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Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club
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Posts: 10,542
BROOK PARK, OH
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and no mounts and no limiters
Russ
Really
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Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today
[Re: WILD BILL]
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12/30/10 05:57 PM
12/30/10 05:57 PM
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Posts: 6,350 Aurora, Oh.
max_maniac
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Posts: 6,350
Aurora, Oh.
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and no mounts and no limiters
Russ
Really
Really
Russ
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Re: Well, I tried to put my motor in today
[Re: WILD BILL]
#890740
12/30/10 06:09 PM
12/30/10 06:09 PM
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Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 8,647 ELYRIA,OH
blownzoom440
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Joined: Jul 2005
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ELYRIA,OH
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and no mounts and no limiters
Russ
Really
i dont use mounts/limiters either.3/8 front plate.
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