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Fake fender tags #889084 12/26/10 11:55 PM 12/26/10 11:55 PM
Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 398 Texas 7 70Runnerdude OP enthusiast
70Runnerdude OP enthusiast 7 Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 398 Texas	Was just accused of making fake fender tags and passing them off by Barry Washington and he hung up on me on the phone. I dont know what I did to get this kind of response and it really bothers me as I consider myself a straight up Guy. Only thing I ever did was have Galen Govier make me a duplicate tag for my 70 Challenger R/T to match my build sheet with no intention of it ever being passed of as a real tag along with Galen's documentation of the carfrom the build sheet and showing He had made a tag. Also a while back I posted some questions as to how I could have a copy of my original tag made for my roadrunner once I found out it couldnt be done from the posters here on moparts I left it at that. The other day I went to the Hamtrack historical site and I see there is some dealer info on my car at the Hamtrack site and I try to call Him and ask Him about it all I get from is Him telling me off about making fake fender tags and hanging up on me with out me even being able to ask Him a single thing or explain what I wanted to ask Him. I am totaly confused on this big time ! Anyone else have this kind of experience ? Dave

Re: Fake fender tags [Re: 70Runnerdude] #889085 12/27/10 12:06 AM 12/27/10 12:06 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	Quote: Was just accused of making fake fender tags and passing them off by Barry Washington and he hung up on me on the phone. I dont know what I did to get this kind of response and it really bothers me as I consider myself a straight up Guy. Only thing I ever did was have Galen Govier make me a duplicate tag for my 70 Challenger R/T to match my build sheet with no intention of it ever being passed of as a real tag along with Galen's documentation of the carfrom the build sheet and showing He had made a tag. Also a while back I posted some questions as to how I could have a copy of my original tag made for my roadrunner once I found out it couldnt be done from the posters here on moparts I left it at that. The other day I went to the Hamtrack historical site and I see there is some dealer info on my car at the Hamtrack site and I try to call Him and ask Him about it all I get from is Him telling me off about making fake fender tags and hanging up on me with out me even being able to ask Him a single thing or explain what I wanted to ask Him. I am totaly confused on this big time ! Anyone else have this kind of experience ? Dave Barry is a straight shooter and a well respected member of this site, I'm sure he'll chime in, there's always two sides to every story.

Re: Fake fender tags [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #889086 12/27/10 12:09 AM 12/27/10 12:09 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 43,517 Round Lake Beach, Illinoisy Rhinodart Rhinotruck
Rhinodart Rhinotruck Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 43,517 Round Lake Beach, Illinoisy	The funny thing about science is that if you change one miniscule parameter you change the entire outcome to the way you want it. JB Rhinehart, Realist A-Body's RULE!

Re: Fake fender tags [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #889087 12/27/10 12:12 AM 12/27/10 12:12 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 29,650 Hamtramck, PA A Alaskan_TA Fluffy Balladeer
Alaskan_TA Fluffy Balladeer A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 29,650 Hamtramck, PA	I have Dave set to 'ignore' here & have since this thread; https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...e=0#Post5932116 So, I do not see his posts. Since Scott quoted him here, I can see this one though. I want no contact with folks making / having fake tags made. None. Not ever.

Re: Fake fender tags [Re: Rhinodart] #889088 12/27/10 12:17 AM 12/27/10 12:17 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,570 San Francisco Ca SCATPK master
SCATPK master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,570 San Francisco Ca	I am a bit surprized to hear the self proclaimed guru would make a tag that did not follow an authentic buildsheet? Personally I feel that tags or buildsheets should never be duplicated no matter what the reason. Let what ever documents someone may have stand on their own merits.

Re: Fake fender tags [Re: SCATPK] #889089 12/27/10 12:24 AM 12/27/10 12:24 AM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Quote: I am totaly confused on this big time ! Anyone else have this kind of experience ? Really? Short term memory? He pretty much laid it out for you in April....

Re: Fake fender tags [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #889090 12/27/10 12:35 AM 12/27/10 12:35 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	From your post in April: Quote: I have a 70 roadrunner and have lost the fender tag. I can document a whole bunch of the options and paint color. I need to figure out how to put all the codes on the fender tag and in order. Here is a list of the stuff it has or had. it was a 383 automatic console bucket seat hard top with roll up back windows. Has rear trunk light rocker mouldings upper door mouldings white paint white interior door panels and paint on inside door is white headliner is white dash black black and white seats black vinyl top has the axle package with heavy duty brake drums 11 inch on back 10 inch on front 355 sure grip. hood pins non udercoat (no wheel lip mouldings) also has the roadrunner at front of fenders and dust trail going down the side to the side scoops and had a rear tail panel stripe that i thought was red but was painted over and is originaly black rallye dash with tic toc tach 3 speed wiper motor and power steering has front sway bar also also had the performance balckout hood paint is no a/c and 22 inch rad support pedal dress up trim wood grain steering wheel am radio road runner decor group A87 is the code for the dust stripe and tail panel I think. I am not trying to cheat anyone at all so dont even go there[ b] all I would like to do is put a duplicate fender tag in the place of the lost one and I have pics to documnet all of this I do not intend to sell the car but if I do I will make sure the buyer knows about the fender tag. Thanks for any help !!!!! Dave ! Also from your April thread: Quote: R11 V8X END EW1 C16 RM23 N0B Found no build sheet here are some of the codes that would need to be on the tag any other help would be appreciated. Thanks ! Dave ! From today: Quote: Was just accused of making fake fender tags and passing them off by Barry Washington and he hung up on me on the phone. I dont know what I did to get this kind of response and it really bothers me as I consider myself a straight up Guy. Only thing I ever did was have Galen Govier make me a duplicate tag for my 70 Challenger R/T to match my build sheet with no intention of it ever being passed of as a real tag along with Galen's documentation of the carfrom the build sheet and showing He had made a tag. Also a while back I posted some questions as to how I could have a copy of my original tag made for my roadrunner once I found out it couldnt be done from the posters here on moparts I left it at that. The other day I went to the Hamtrack historical site and I see there is some dealer info on my car at the Hamtrack site and I try to call Him and ask Him about it all I get from is Him telling me off about making fake fender tags and hanging up on me with out me even being able to ask Him a single thing or explain what I wanted to ask Him. I am totaly confused on this big time ! Anyone else have this kind of experience ? Dave Looks like you bought a fake Broadcast Sheet as well? If you are looking for sympathy you won't find much here on Moparts. Buying fake documents is a good way to turn your car into an automotive leper. Nobody will want to touch it or get near it.

Re: Fake fender tags #889091 12/27/10 12:39 AM 12/27/10 12:39 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 29,650 Hamtramck, PA A Alaskan_TA Fluffy Balladeer
Alaskan_TA Fluffy Balladeer A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 29,650 Hamtramck, PA	For anyone missing an original fender tag, please consider this. If you have one made and guess at what should have been on it, someone will catch it sooner or later. Is your reputation worth it? If you bought a car without one, get used to it, it was your choice. If you just have to have one, consider a custom tag like the one below. People will photograph it at shows & it shows that you want the REAL one by not making something up & trying to fool people. 6379930-rewardtag.JPG (519 downloads)

Re: Fake fender tags [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #889092 12/27/10 12:53 AM 12/27/10 12:53 AM
Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 12,271 Overpriced Housing Central RobX4406 I Live Here
RobX4406 I Live Here Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 12,271 Overpriced Housing Central	Quote: From your post in April: Quote: I have a 70 roadrunner and have lost the fender tag. I can document a whole bunch of the options and paint color. I need to figure out how to put all the codes on the fender tag and in order. Here is a list of the stuff it has or had. it was a 383 automatic console bucket seat hard top with roll up back windows. Has rear trunk light rocker mouldings upper door mouldings white paint white interior door panels and paint on inside door is white headliner is white dash black black and white seats black vinyl top has the axle package with heavy duty brake drums 11 inch on back 10 inch on front 355 sure grip. hood pins non udercoat (no wheel lip mouldings) also has the roadrunner at front of fenders and dust trail going down the side to the side scoops and had a rear tail panel stripe that i thought was red but was painted over and is originaly black rallye dash with tic toc tach 3 speed wiper motor and power steering has front sway bar also also had the performance balckout hood paint is no a/c and 22 inch rad support pedal dress up trim wood grain steering wheel am radio road runner decor group A87 is the code for the dust stripe and tail panel I think. I am not trying to cheat anyone at all so dont even go there[ b] all I would like to do is put a duplicate fender tag in the place of the lost one and I have pics to documnet all of this I do not intend to sell the car but if I do I will make sure the buyer knows about the fender tag. Thanks for any help !!!!! Dave ! Also from your April thread: Quote: R11 V8X END EW1 C16 RM23 N0B Found no build sheet here are some of the codes that would need to be on the tag any other help would be appreciated. Thanks ! Dave ! From today: Quote: Was just accused of making fake fender tags and passing them off by Barry Washington and he hung up on me on the phone. I dont know what I did to get this kind of response and it really bothers me as I consider myself a straight up Guy. Only thing I ever did was have Galen Govier make me a duplicate tag for my 70 Challenger R/T to match my build sheet with no intention of it ever being passed of as a real tag along with Galen's documentation of the carfrom the build sheet and showing He had made a tag. Also a while back I posted some questions as to how I could have a copy of my original tag made for my roadrunner once I found out it couldnt be done from the posters here on moparts I left it at that. The other day I went to the Hamtrack historical site and I see there is some dealer info on my car at the Hamtrack site and I try to call Him and ask Him about it all I get from is Him telling me off about making fake fender tags and hanging up on me with out me even being able to ask Him a single thing or explain what I wanted to ask Him. I am totaly confused on this big time ! Anyone else have this kind of experience ? Dave Looks like you bought a fake Broadcast Sheet as well? If you are looking for sympathy you won't find much here on Moparts. Buying fake documents is a good way to turn your car into an automotive leper. Nobody will want to touch it or get near it. Since when is an RM23 vin consistent with a Challenger R/T... Carry on.

Re: Fake fender tags [Re: RobX4406] #889093 12/27/10 12:55 AM 12/27/10 12:55 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	Yea, sorry about that, missed that there are two different cars being discussed here.

Re: Fake fender tags [Re: 70Runnerdude] #889094 12/27/10 01:00 AM 12/27/10 01:00 AM
Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 249 Sonora, CA 68X426 enthusiast
68X426 enthusiast Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 249 Sonora, CA	Quote: Anyone else have this kind of experience ? Dave Experience in faking a tag - or - experience in getting called out by Barry? No. No. Last edited by 68X426; 12/27/10 01:02 AM. The 12 Scariest Words in the English Language: We are here from the Government and we want to help you. 1968 Plymouth Road Runner, Hemi and much more 1968 Dodge Charger, 318 and not much else 1958 Dodge Pick Up, 383 and loud 1966 Dodge Van, Slant 6 and cool

Re: Fake fender tags [Re: 68X426] #889095 12/27/10 01:06 AM 12/27/10 01:06 AM
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 3,519 Lansing, MI 70gtx440dana master
70gtx440dana master Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 3,519 Lansing, MI	Sure hope you are able to get hooked up with the dealer info for your Road Runner....I know I would love to have that info for mine.....good luck! 70 Road Runner 383-4 4 speed FJ5 & black guts 70 Charger R/T 440-4 4 speed FJ5 & white guts

Re: Fake fender tags [Re: 70gtx440dana] #889096 12/27/10 01:22 AM 12/27/10 01:22 AM
Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 4,127 Ramona, CA NicksGarage master
NicksGarage master Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 4,127 Ramona, CA	They'll just never learn.

Re: Fake fender tags [Re: 70Runnerdude] #889097 12/27/10 01:22 AM 12/27/10 01:22 AM
Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 253 Orange County, CA M Mike H enthusiast
Mike H enthusiast M Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 253 Orange County, CA	Seems I have heard abut Galen offering the service of making replacement fender tags from the build sheets for years. Not sure I see any problem with that.

Re: Fake fender tags [Re: Mike H] #889098 12/27/10 01:28 AM 12/27/10 01:28 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	Quote: Seems I have heard abut Galen offering the service of making replacement fender tags from the build sheets for years. Not sure I see any problem with that. So what if Galen unknowingly makes a tag from a fake broadcast sheet that gets past his scrutiny (he's human, it could happen), would you be ok with that? What if you bought a car on the pretense that both were original and then found out later that your documents are fake? Would you be ok with that?

Re: Fake fender tags [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #889099 12/27/10 02:35 AM 12/27/10 02:35 AM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 10,200 Someplace you aren't S SomeCarGuy I Live Here
SomeCarGuy I Live Here S Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 10,200 Someplace you aren't	Why does anybody need a tag? It helps to know what a car is but once that ORIGINAL info is lost, then it doesn't matter. Only purpose might be to inflate an option list or otherwise fake a car.

Re: Fake fender tags [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #889100 12/27/10 02:47 AM 12/27/10 02:47 AM
Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 8,948 Harlan, Iowa 69CoronetRT master
69CoronetRT master Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 8,948 Harlan, Iowa	Quote: Quote: Seems I have heard abut Galen offering the service of making replacement fender tags from the build sheets for years. Not sure I see any problem with that. So what if Galen unknowingly makes a tag from a fake broadcast sheet that gets past his scrutiny (he's human, it could happen), would you be ok with that? What if you bought a car on the pretense that both were original and then found out later that your documents are fake? Would you be ok with that? What if Galen makes a mistake (Yes, even he makes mistakes) and issues a bad/incorrect tag? Would you be ok with that? Seeking: 1969 St. Louis plant VINs, SPD, and VONs. Over 2,000 thanks to you!

Re: Fake fender tags [Re: SomeCarGuy] #889101 12/27/10 02:58 AM 12/27/10 02:58 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,995 North Pole,New York F formula_s master
formula_s master F Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,995 North Pole,New York	Quote: Why does anybody need a tag? Only purpose might be to inflate an option list or otherwise fake a car. Well said, One of the most admired collectors here was having a fake tag made a few years back and I called him out on that amoung other things. He's dead now so what difference does it make.

Re: Fake fender tags [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #889102 12/27/10 03:31 AM 12/27/10 03:31 AM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 18,157 Mass DAYCLONA I Live Here
DAYCLONA I Live Here Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 18,157 Mass	I do not intend to sell the car Dude, If you have no intention of selling the car, what dose it matter, besides it's a "383" car, do yourself a favor, don't get your panties all bunched up over a little tag with numbers stamped on it, just restore/restify, modify or whatever the car and just drive the thing and enjoy it,....you don't need a tag for that,...tags, numbers, date codes, etc are for those looking for status amongst others of the same thinking, or those concerned with inflating potential resale values,....it's just a machine, not an entity

Re: Fake fender tags [Re: DAYCLONA] #889103 12/27/10 04:34 AM 12/27/10 04:34 AM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 10,127 A Red State SNK-EYZ I Live Here
SNK-EYZ I Live Here Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 10,127 A Red State	Quote: I do not intend to sell the car Dude, If you have no intention of selling the car, what dose it matter, besides it's a "383" car, do yourself a favor, don't get your panties all bunched up over a little tag with numbers stamped on it, just restore/restify, modify or whatever the car and just drive the thing and enjoy it,....you don't need a tag for that,...tags, numbers, date codes, etc are for those looking for status amongst others of the same thinking, or those concerned with inflating potential resale values,....it's just a machine, not an entity The only reason people worry about fender tags is for the investment value of a car. Kayse can't keep up at all now. lol

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