old school 292/509 Cam what performance did u get.?
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Look i know we all have our likes & dislikes that's ok ** But mopar made a great cam in the 292/509 its a great street cam and with the right heads headers & so on i have seen B-Bodies run mid 11 and still drive around town with full interior so lets hear what you have.! So that is what i am planning on doing to my 1966 plymouth satellite. I have all the right things to make this car scream.! it now has a solid cam from comp i hate it.! ** SO TELL ME YOUR COMBOS WITH THIS 292/509 CAM IN A 440 MOTOR AND HOW IT RUN AT ITS BEST TIMES.! Here is a video of my car.! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLMuETuCen4
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easy enough, although low low 12's are probably more like. 10:1 440, ported iron or Alum heads, RPM intake 850DP, Headers, good ingnition system, 3800 stall, good shifting trans and 4.10's should get you really close to 11's and still decent on the street. Advancing the cam can help get you some bottom end as well. Of course better heads, more compression, expensive convert, will help even more.
oh and I had a .030 over 383 11:1, ported 915 heads, 509 cam (straight up), Torker II 750DP, 1 7/8 headers, MSD, 3800 stall 4.56's in a 68 Dart ran 11.86 w/ a very bad trans.
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I agree totally i am going to run the boss hog 3200-3600 stall i have with 3:91 gears that are already in the car.! I already have heads Indy Sr so flow will be no problem.!
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I am lucky i don't have power brakes so i am good.! I have a friend that had this combo in a B-Body and his best time was 11:68 on street tires.
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Oh yes mine is still 10.5 compression.!
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girl down in Shreveport has a nice orange RR w air grabber hood, 440 six pack with the 509 in it, she was running mid 11s on slicks with it.
not sure the rest of the build though...compression, etc. but it was a stock stroke 440, 6pack motor.
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My 68 Roadrunner had a 440 with 10 to 1 pistons 906 heads with 4 speed and a RPM intake with a Demon Carb and headers. It ran awesome , I loved that set up !!!!!!!!!!! Only problem I had was I wiped out a lobe on it . I would build another just like it and plan on doing just that in a year or so . Dave
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Why do you hate the Comp Cam solid lifter set up thats in there currently?
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Yea i alway advance my cams for the low end torque.! thanks>!
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Sweet i look into that have a great day.!
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I got one for you guys.! ?? i have a general kinetics cam i have one for a big block with almost the same profile as a 292/509 cam.!
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Advance it 2-4 degree's makes a better idle and better low end
Yes install it at 103 and this cam really responds well (104 to 102)
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Way to much noise for me and i really don't think the streetablity is as good.! But that is what i think and like others may think different.!
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That's what i am saying i have a solid lift comp cam now i just don't like a solid cam they make more noise than i like. plus my years of racing cars and street cars i just like a hydraulic cam better it seem to be more street friendly.!
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Back in the late 70,s Direct Connection did a back to back test with a bracket car between the SSH-44 and the MP 509. The results were SSH-44 1.621 60ft. 11.95, 1/4 @ 115.18 MP 509 1.621 60ft. 11.82, 1/4 @ 116.61 I agree with you that the following MP cams were copies of the designs that Racer brown came up with. If my specs are correct the SSH-44 actually had less duration then the MP 509. Witch, would indeed make it a better street cam then the 509. As far as the 509 goes, it can be a screamer with the right combo, as well as some of the other MP grinds. mike
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One other guy said the same thing about the racer brown cams. I looked at them and i am going to keep mine on track with the 292/509 mopar cam i am a die hard fan its always worked well for me.!
** side note.! this car of mine had a killer set up in it before i got the car but the owner before me took it out at the time i didn't understand why now i do ** he could could not build a wet dream!!!
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I got one for you guys.! ?? i have a general kinetics cam i have one for a big block with almost the same profile as a 292/509 cam.!
I think that G/K cam is a "redline" series with I think 300* at .510 lift? They had a lot of profiles in that range. I use to sell General Kinetic stuff a long, long time ago. But I don't remember. Most, if not all, where 'chevy' profiles though. But they ran good in the day.
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I know the profile is very close to the 509 very close.!
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I know there is tons of you out there with combos that run the 292/509 cam and are killer street cars lets hear about what you have and if you have time slips what did it turn.!
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I know we have alot of modern cam profile out there with this & that and it make them have more power and so on. I just wonder what has happened to the old school racing tricks that have worked for a very long time some times i fell we have been overwhelemed with so many different cam designs and companys that just basic understanding will make it run hard and true that is way i am a die hard 292/509 mopar purple shaft cam guy with the right combo they run hard as hell and are very dependable on the street.! ** Now this is my way of thinking and its ok to want something different so i don't want anyone to take exception.!!
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See that's what i am talkin about some old school car stuff. I really think at time we have forgotten those that made drag racing and have got all into these big teams and all there sponsor and so on its fun to go back to or early times and look at what they did.! ** Ok i now some of you guys out there that have street cars had some really good engine combo's with the 292/509 cam and they where screamers and drove on a daily basis.!** Also if you are driving it now and have a picture put it on here how cool is that.!.**
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A big reason many do not run the specicfic Mopar purple cams is that for awhile the quality was not there. Lobes wiping out during break in periods as well as non exixstent/rude and or non knowledgable tech service. I have had 2 Challengers 440s with the 509 cam. They both had 3000 stall converters and 4:10 gearing. Very powerfull. Being able to use/re use the stamped steel rocker arms ($$) has always been a mandate for me. For my future 360 build I have a new Engle mopar specific 230deg 514 lift cam under my bed.
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I do agree with you that is true quality was not good for a time but it's much better now.! the last ( 4 ) 292/509 i have used with my motor and friends motor have done very well also it also comes back to this country its seems there is no pride in making anything here anymore and that is very sad on the nations part.! *** But like i said we all have our own choice at what Cam company we use and i say use what works for you as i will do the same i am and will always be a 292/509 mopar purple shaft cam user.!!
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**** Plus all you guys that send in your combos with the 292/509 cam lets see pictures to go with it is it a street car or strip.? or both.?
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**** Plus all you guys that send in your combos with the 292/509 cam lets see pictures to go with it is it a street car or strip.? or both.?
...Mostly street, I like to drive mine.. I took it to the track when I made changes to see how it'd do. Then basically left it alone for the next 2 yrs. Health was really bad during that time. The local chevy/ford boys were saying my heads were ported, "cause Chrysler's don't run that fast". I never thought high 7's was that fast. So I told them, I'll take the motor down & make it more stock 62 than it is right now & it'll be faster, (Max Weg heads, & Intake). ...When I took it apart, that's when I found the main's had been "walking" during those 300hp N20 shoots. Also that's how I found that the piston's were .100+ in the hole (~8.4:1cr), & that the 286 heads idea could use a little more compression. Then my health got a lot worse & wasn't able to get that back together. ...When I was able to do anything again, I had a low 6's, 2700lb,~700hp,pump gas street Idea that ran 5.99 on race gas. ...Sorry, not a clear pic, buddy took a pic & gave it to me back then.
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So i take it had the 292/509 cam.? sweet car see that is what i am saying tell me about the ride and show it off man old school street cars are very cool.!
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i was always pleased with my .509 in my 3900lb. truck. best time was 11.69 @ 112mph on pump gas & through the mufflers on mickey thompson ET streets. bottom end was stock forged crank, LY rods, trw L2266 flat tops. IIRC, cam was installed straight up. motor had OOTB edelbrock heads, holley street dominator manifold, ancient holley 950 cfm 3 barrel, & CPPA/tti 2" a body headers. compression calculated out @ 9.5:1 with the 84cc heads. truck had a 10" coan converter & turbo action manual VB. 8 3/4 w/4.10. & yes it was streetable.
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See here is just one more set up that is streetable and runs on the track all day and then you can drive it home and its all done with the right combo and the mopar 292/509 cam nice ride.!
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440 10.8 comp Eddy RPM heads, mild port RPM intake 750 dp MP 509 cam Installed @ a 104* ICL 1.6 rockers .542 lift 1.75 headers 4000 stall Dynamic 3.91 gear 27.3 tire 2975 race weight. Pretty light!
1.43 60ft. 10.47 ET @ 128 MPH
With a 5000 stall vert and 12.5 comp. IMO 10.20,s or better could of been had. Great cam IMO, mike
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How long have you been running that set up.? Do you have any future plans.!
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I agree with the general consensus of this topic. The 484 & 509 MP cams can be made to run fast, reliabe & consistent. Maybe not FASTEST, but they're great proven bang for the buck.
Just my opinion, but some need to have the latest and greatest technology for whatever reason and that's ok.
Personally I've got about 4 long blocks, with all of them a 484 or 509 cam, waiting to go in a roller. Picked up the cams at swapmeets, some new, some slightly used.
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Yea there we go sounds like a winner to me and let me ask you this what is the main use for this car.?? STREET OR STRIP OR BOTH we need to just look at what we really need to go fast and do it with a motor that is more than just a strip monster hell i can build one like that as we all can its way more fun to have a car that u can drive there run and drive home SWEET.!
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Hey if you have a picture of your car post it here lets see it.!
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Yes there is but i really like the old profile myself now that is what i like other like the new one and that is ok too we all have a choice.!
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I was looking through the online MP catalog and there are TWO cams with .509"/292 specs. One has 6 degrees less overlap for improved street manners. (if I remember the data right)
Yeah, & the one on the 114 is a p*ssi cam, you want the one on the 108 & dial it in around 102, i've run this cam in 3 440s & even lined straight up they rocked.
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I am glad other like the racer browns but i will just stick with the 292/509 mopar cam for me but the rest out there some good info to look at.!
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Even though i like the 292/509 cam i am always willing to help other look at others that have done a combo alittle different.!
** But i am still a 292/509 cam man.!
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I was looking through the online MP catalog and there are TWO cams with .509"/292 specs. One has 6 degrees less overlap for improved street manners. (if I remember the data right)
Yeah, & the one on the 114 is a p*ssi cam, you want the one on the 108 & dial it in around 102, i've run this cam in 3 440s & even lined straight up they rocked.
Gee, thanks. I was just pointing out that there is more than one that fits the description in the title. I think they're BOTH p*ssi cams, they are hydraulic after all. And only 1/2" lift? what a joke.
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Yea oh well we all have to make our selfs feel good one way or another.!
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If you really like this cam, I suggest you get a Racer Brown SSH 44. The MP 509 cam was a near copy or the SSH 44. Before there was Direct Connection or the later Mopar Performance the Mopar race bulletins recommended Racer Brown cams and many of the Purple shafts were in fact copies of Racer Brown designs. The advantage of getting the "real" 509 cam from Jim Dowell at Racer Brown is that he will custom tailor it to your combination. He will give you the LSA best suited to your car and also grind in the best advance for you. I've dealt with Jim in the past and have always gotten good service and sound advice.
The SSH-44 and its little brother the SSH-25 are both great cams.
Cam ADV, DUR-----lift-----.050 Dur
SSH-25 ---286------.485-----236
SSH-44----292------.510-----243
MP-509----292------.509-----248
All of these Old school cams are great. Todays modern cams have nothing on them except a little extra lift.
Example: The 35 year old MP 509 248* duration cam has the following intake valve timing at a 104* ITC. Followed by a MODERN day cam from HUGHES with a 250* duration.
MP 509 Intake. open @ 20* BTDC, close @ 48* ABDC
Hughes, 5056---open @ 20* BTDC, close @ 50* ABDC
35 years later and we have nearly the Same exact timing events with a similer size modern cam,- the extra 2* of the 5056 250* duration @ .050
IMO, The tricky part of the cam Design was figured out YEARS ago. The above shows that IMO
Example; If you have 248* of intaske duration to play with, where do you put the valve events at BTDC and ABDC??
Open @ TDC, close @ 68* ABDC, OR
open @ 10* BTDC, close @ 58* ABDC, OR
open @ 20* BTDC, close @ 48* ABDC, OR
open @ 30* BTDC, close @ 38* ABDC.
And after 35 Plus years of Study, the answer is,??
The same as 35 years before!! . mike
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That is great info.! So i will let other look at it and they can make up there own minds as to witch cam to use.
** But as i have said i like the 35 yr old mopar cam my choice.!
** look guys this is not a debate to see who knows more or who is better all i ask for was those that like the mopar 292/509 cam to post your combos and how well it worked for you so other may like to Try it out and if someone wants something different that's ok to.!
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I like being a old school person. I just put this together and hope it works well. 360 30 over 292/508 "smallblock" installed at 106 iron heads 202/160 stage 3 ported low gear 904 w/4000 stall 4.30 w/28" hosier 3300 lbs with me in it
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Being "old school" is not for all. You have to be cool with running at a certain level. Good for street/strip and bracket racing. Which is me. Knocking the "only 1/2" lift" is ok too. If you only run "old school" iron heads you know that the ports basically stall at over .500 (aka 1/2" lift). Yeah, we could debate that there's more "area under the curve" with more modern profiles and there's also the 1.6 ratio rockers to band-aid it too. Whatever, it's bang for the buck. "old schoolers" know that the adjustable valvetrain opens a Pandora's box of additional spending. Can you go faster any cheaper????? Probably not. Can you run more consistent, or even faster, than a guy with more modern technology but not dialed in???? It certainly happens. Here's my old school 69 Rr. It has sat there so long it's very embarrassing to mention it. BUT I finally started to get back to it in the last few months........... http://www.moparts.org/moparts/picture/mopar03/moparty/img/DCP_0479.JPGI'll be running some old narrow front runner Ansen slots, the big 11.75" discs and a 6 Barrel hood.
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I don't have the Mopar brand cam, but I do have the Comp "nostalgia" or whatever series they call it, 292/299 .509/.509 cam in my Charger with all the "wrong" parts...
What I mean by wrong parts is a 3000-3200 stall and 3.55 gears.
I'm running closed chamber Edelbrock heads, 2" Super Comp headers, Torker I intake, 870 Holley, Crane Gold Race roller rockers, KB flat tops, zero decked block, etc etc. I am also using Rhoads Lifters, which supposedly take a little radicalness out of the cam.
Either way, with the 3.55's and the "lower" stall, this thing still hauls ass, it's not a slug like everyone says it would be with that combo. I'm running 295/50/15 tires on the rear and this thing lights them up with just a light stab at the gas pedal. I also did a 50-100mph run with a video and it made it in 6 seconds (no track around here to run it on). Either way, I don't race the car, just built it to enjoy it and have been happy with this cam.
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That is a very nice ride so what has it ran or did you get a chance to yet let me know thanks for the info have a great new year.!
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Yes Sir i agree that we need to look at what we are building and try and get the most. Please i am not here to say ( old school is the only way i just think that we all have a level of money we can spend and so on so use it for what works best for you and your car and the items you have at hand.!) I myself have up grades and i still would rather use a 292/509 mopar cam in my 448 cu in street car but that is me i wont everone to ues what they want but if you are like me and like the old school profile 292/509 cam i say use it.! By the way nice RR send pics when done and back on the road thanks for the reply.!
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Hey Joe its mark in Tn i knew it was my hard core mopar friend like me nice ride and that is moving for an old combo this is what i am saying sometimes we only need to be frugal and it all works out i like it alot hope you and your family have a great new years & that goes for everyone out here on moparts i hope you and your family have a nice new years.!
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Hey joe anything new you are working on lets talk maybe u have something i need our i can help you out.!
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Wow that's a very clean looking car did it have stock heads.? factory or aftermarket what type tires out back when you ran it was the 292/509 cam the old profile.?
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Hello so that was a very good looking old school ride i think you said you sold it.? wow i would have kept that car post a few more pics if you got them and more info i bet it got lots of looks even from the other guys that don't like us mopar guys.!
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Did u ever rerun the dart with a good trans and see what time you got.?!
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I don't personaly hate comp cams co.! I have ran alot of combos in my cars over the years and have found for me.!!! That a hdy cam set up is way more street friendly for what i use it for.!!
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Wow that's a very clean looking car did it have stock heads.? factory or aftermarket what type tires out back when you ran it was the 292/509 cam the old profile.?
Sorry for the late reply. It had template ported '72 452 heads on it. A couple of tricks for weight transfer; late K-member set the engine back 1-1/2", rear hole on the spring perch moved the rear foward an inch. Tires were M/T drag radials with SS springs. The cam was the new profile (2007). Board member on here has it. If I had a garage big enough, it would still be mine
Here's another pic.
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68 barracuda 71 440 9.5 compression 4 speed 3.91 sure grip 509 purple dual 4 tunnul ram with 625 carters still getting it together , havent got a chance to get it to the strip , but sure love the way it pulls
theres nothing as permanent as a temporary fix
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I absolutely loved mine. I built it in 1984 by the Direct Connection book, but used Stage IV heads as well. 11:1 compression, 509 cam advanced 4 degrees, and a CH4B dual-plane intake with 850 DP Holley and 2" Hooker Super Comp headers. I never got to the track, but with 4.10 gears it would annihilate 275/60-15 BFG T/As through 3rd gear if the street wasn't perfectly clean. It's a 4-speed car and drove like a perfect kitten, even with a very light aluminum flywheel. Had 18" of vacuum at 900 RPM idle, too. <edit> um...maybe that was 14" lol.
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12/28/10 12:12 AM
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When it comes to boards like this everyone recommends to only do it once the right way and its so cheap to buy this part you should do it based on that fact. Its like buying crap in bulk that goes stale before you ever eat it.
The adjustable valve train does open a pandora's box of spending, as stated above. On a 3000 or less budgeted engine, buying something needing an adjustable valve train adds another 500 bucks on top, and thats assuming you bought more expensive pistons with the right valve reliefs to allow more lift. And then you aren't getting much more because your 906 heads dont flow above .500 lift as previously stated. So you buy the stealth heads or eddys because they're only about 400-700 more than a valve job and new valves. And hopefully your aftermarket heads check out good and dont need cleaning up. You just turned a cheap 2500-3000 rebuild into a 4000+ rebuild. Sometimes its just easier to stick with what works if high 11s and low 12s are enough for you.
And a buddy of mine used the Comp 509 when his last 509 broke in half. Car idles pretty smooth and he said its must more street friendly, but pulls even a little bit harder up top. I think the Comp version would probably be a good cam to run, at least you can take advantage of some of the newer technology with the advantages of the old 509.
Now I need to pin those needles, got to feel that heat Hear my motor screamin while I'm tearin up the street
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12/28/10 12:21 AM
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That is a sweet looking ride i like the old mopars the look is very unique.! Thanks So much.!
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Its ok its still a mopar and i am very found of old school cars!.
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Can't wait to hear what it runs.! no matter what it will still be a lot of fun to drive.!
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Well i can tell you this my current set up has no problem running & running hard.! its not i don't have enough i could get 800hp with a few minor thing done in no time ** but i have made a choice to use a more mild street set up and get more use for what i want as far as a weekend play toy.! ** I had a very close friend that had a 70 cuda with a 950 hp stroker motor and hated it after he did it because there are limits to what u can & can't do that goes with everything.! **** Like i have said before i am not hear to debate, to say my way is right and everone else is wrong i just like hearing what other have done with there cars by useing the mopar 292/509 cam if other like a different one then i say use it and enjoy.!
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Hey the picture at the bottom of the page of the 67 dodge coronet was that yours or is it still your.? Nice looking car.!
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Thanks for the reply what type car and how did it run could you give more details.!
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I am glad you are happy with what you have i myself will always be a purple shaft cam man! sorry for those that can't deal with it but i like the mopar cams.! Once again that is my choice.!
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Look i am not here to debate you over your choices if that is what u like run it i like the mopar cams. someone else could say the same thing about comp cam, lunati cams, and so on i only started this post to see what type performance other got out of there 292/509 cams in there motors ** but if you or someone else likes the racer brown,comp cams, and so on i say use what you like not what someone tells you to use.!
You on commission Coronet?
You run whatever you want to run & don't let anyone tell you any different. .......................although i've gotta say the equivalant ultradyne would whip the 509s ass.
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I ran 11.80s in my 4 speed Challenger with that cam in a VERY mild 440 with a bone stock bottom end and the car was never tweeked at the track so it had more in it. Engine was a 1966 440 with 40k original miles. Stock 516 heads were pulled and larger exhaust valves installed, quick home done smothing of the runners. Bottom end inspected and found to be in excellent condition so only a new oil pump, timing chain, .509 cam, lifters and correct valve springs installed. Old school Torker II single plane intake with Holley 750DP carb. electric fuel pump, stock electronic distrbutor with lighter springs and vacuum advance locked out with MP chrome box. Hooker 1 7/8" headers with Flowmasters at rear axle. MP standard HP clutch disc and pressure plate in front of a stock Hemi 4 speed. 4.10 rear end with ET Steet tires, SuperStock springs and a snubber. All steel street driven car with full interior, less glass T/A hood. I only took it to the track a few times and the wifegod told me I was getting air under the drivers' front tire off the line but I had an 8 3/4" rear end in the car which I eventually broke an axle in so I did fairly light launches and my 60 foot times were terrible, there was definitely more in that combo. Very happy with that cam. I've sinced swapped to a MP .528 soild cam and sixpack setup and it slowed the car down but made it more street friendly and this engine is going to be retired to my 71 R/T Challenger.. I have another aluminum headed 440 ready to go in the car and this one has the Racer Brown ST-21 cam in it with 1.6 rockers..we will see.
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Sweet i like the car let me know how it all goes with the new motor i would like to see the times you run have a great new year! Thanks.!!
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Ok fair enough well i have had ( 3 ) 440 with the 292/509 cam in them never did i have any problems or was it a dead horse it ran strong and hard some better than the other. 1. first one stock 906 heads with a torker II good running but could go faster need more gear & stall plus better heads.! 2. second one had ported 906 heads ran very strong it had 4:10 gears and a 3000 stall ran super hard but i know there was more. 3. third one had eddy heads mild port work and intake was a eddy rpm this time port matched with better headers 3500 stall it ran very very hard super torque and lots of power & 4:10 gears. ** My current motor is way more powerfull than any of those it is a solid lift cam with indy heads mild port work and so on. ** I just am not a big fan of soild lift cams i know i am going to hear it now but like i have said here it comes.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT'S WHAT I LIKE SO YOU HAVE IT ALL THIS POST WAS FOR IS TO SEE WHAT TYPE PERFORMANCE OTHER HAVE GOT WITH THERE MOTORS THAT HAVE THE 292/509 CAM IN THEM. I JUST THINK MY OTHER MOTORS WHERE MORE STREET FRIENDLY AND MORE USEABLE.!
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HMMMMMM well it seem you have opened a can of you know what now everyone want to know why you like this cam over this one and so on man i just don't get why some can't let other make there own minds up.?? But i bet after you answer someone will not like it.!
Something just got my attention on this thread , from what i can gather the OP likes the 509 due to the reliability & not having to bother messing with lash settings................well , i ran a 605" 68 charger on the street with a solid roller 288/294 , this motor was driven to the track , put through it's paces & driven the 130 miles back home , made over 10k street miles & probably still going strong (sold it) , had bundles of fun with this car on the street & not much would touch it when it hooked , just saying you don't need to run hyd cams for reliability............couple guys on this thread have asked why the OP does'nt like the cam he is running , the answer was he does'nt like the noise , correctly set up there should'nt be any 'noise' , just trying to help the OP out that's all.
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Re: I know its old school but it works well.! 292/509 cam
[Re: 67coronetman]
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12/29/10 08:46 PM
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Old school tech is really cool but the reason the newer cams are so much more popular is TQ and drivability for a given performance number. For example most of the fast cars with .509 cams are running 3000 stall converters and 4.10 or lower gears, the newer faster rate cams will run just as fast but can do it with 3.55 gears and 2500 converters. They will also get better MPG and idle better, if you want a crappy idle you just order it with a little tighter LSA and still get more TQ MPG and need less gears to run the same or better ET. I have used the .509 cam in motors I have built but the guy is running a 340 with 4.56 gears a tunnel ram and wants to turn 7000 RPM and does not care about a specific HP or ET he just wants a crappy idle and lots of RPM potential and a high rate of lift cam will make more power but not have the RPM potential, he just wants to see a high number on the tach with a hydro flat tappet cam
I am not causing global warming, I am just trying to hold off a impending Ice Age!
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Re: old school 292/509 Cam what performance did u get.?
[Re: wedgehead426]
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12/30/10 12:28 AM
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No one is trying to keep anyone from makeing up there own mind, only trying to provide information so people can make a more informed decision they will be happier with, peolpe like you are the ones keeping others in the stone age, if they want to be in the stone age that is fine as long as they know there is better stuff out there. I think a lot of people just like the mopar cams because they say mopar on the box, now if mopar started reboxing comp XE HL cams or Hughes engines cams then those same people who swear by the .509 .484 .557 cams would overnight take a likeing to the "new" mopar cams, they would hail them as great mopar developments, even icons just because it says mopar on the box, exactly like how the SCAT cranks bring so much more when they are in a mopar box instead of a SCAT box. Just because you chose a mopar boxed cam does not make your engine any stronger than an equal engine with a different cam, probably the opposite is true, if every one jumps on and says the mopar cam is the best cam ever and no one tells him the truth no matter how much he may get for saying it, then we are not provideing him a usefull service and moparts should just shut down.
I am not causing global warming, I am just trying to hold off a impending Ice Age!
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Re: old school 292/509 Cam what performance did u get.?
[Re: wedgehead426]
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12/30/10 02:56 AM
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DID I NOT TELL YOU IT WOULD START IT .!!! NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO THERE IS ALWAYS SOMEONE WHO JUST WANT'S TO MAKE THERE POINT.!!
You have all of 6 posts & every one of them on this thread , go crawl back under that log.
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Re: old school 292/509 Cam what performance did u get.?
[Re: 71Pan]
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12/30/10 01:55 PM
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I REALLY DO WANT TO THANK ALL YOU FOR THE COMMENTS AND INFO ON OTHER CAMS THAT HAVE WORKED GOOD FOR YOU AND FRIENDS. TO ANSWER YOU ALL MY SOLID LIFT CAM IS A COMP CAM DURATION @ .020 IS INTAKE 284 EXHAUST 292 DURATION @ .050 INTAKE 254 EXHAUST 262 LIFT INTAKE IS 540 EXHAUST IS 559 AND I AM RUNNING INDY ROLLER ROCKER ARMS 1.6
Old car are me......
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Re: old school 292/509 Cam what performance did u get.?
[Re: wedgehead426]
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12/31/10 03:32 AM
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WOW THAT IT HIS PRIDE OH POOR BABY DON'T LIKE IT THAT OTHER CAN MAKE THERE OWN CHOICES WHEN IT NOT WHAT YOU LIKE "" OH YES I FORGOT YOU ARE THE GOD OF ALL MOPAR THINGS IF YOU WHERE AS GOOD AS YOU THINK.?? YOU WOULD BE WORKING ON A TOP FUEL TEAM LOSER.! LOOK I AM PLAY THIS FOR YOU.!
Man, you really are a jerk. Whats with the "All CAPS" deal? Are you too lazy to UNclick the caps lock or are you trying to OVEREMPHASIZE your blowhard style? Try using LESS crank. You will sleep better and come across as LESS of an acehole.
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Re: old school 292/509 Cam what performance did u get.?
[Re: wedgehead426]
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12/31/10 11:19 AM
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"" OH YES I FORGOT YOU ARE THE GOD OF ALL MOPAR THINGS IF YOU WHERE AS GOOD AS YOU THINK.?? YOU WOULD BE WORKING ON A TOP FUEL TEAM LOSER.! LOOK I AM PLAY THIS FOR YOU.!
Sorry to have dissapointed you , will try harder in future , been offered to help out in the pits next season , wish me luck.
Have a wonderful new year , great posts so far keep it up.
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Re: old school 292/509 Cam what performance did u get.?
[Re: wedgehead426]
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12/31/10 12:22 PM
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Hey wedgehead its ok man relax you don't need to get so worked up let it go just do what you want and don't start getting all crazy people are just trying to help with advice. Serious let's all have a great new year and be safe in 2011 and have fun with your street/strip cars thanks again for everone input.
Old car are me......
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