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Re: Felpro valley pan fiasco [Re: greenpigs] #880393
12/18/10 12:26 AM
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I blocked the crossover passage way in the intake with JB Weld, more than 10 years ago. It is still there and that intake has probably 75k mile on it now, it was my DD for 5+ years.


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They say there is always the exception that proves the rule.
Don't be the exception.
Re: Felpro valley pan fiasco [Re: Kern Dog] #880394
12/18/10 12:38 AM
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This sort of stuff actually happens!
I read that Mopar Performance had a run of Big Block camshafts that were incorrectly labled and shipped. Imagine that you buy a 440 Magnum resto cam and end up with a 528 solid. Who takes the time to actually measure cam lobes? How many guys degree in their cams?



Indeed it does happen my uncle was in the process of restoring a 67 GTX's 440 for a friend who swapped me motors for a numbers engine. They ordered a resto hp cam after a long wait put it in and couldn't get it to run quite like it should. After alot of back and forth pulled the cam and sure enough MP Performance cam.... thought it sounded pretty mean for stock! As for the crossover with that kind of weather youll prolly be good to block it off.

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Re: Felpro valley pan fiasco [Re: RapidRobert] #880395
12/18/10 01:28 PM
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cut 2 pieces out of your old valley pan. It'd be the right thickness and the right material




Been doing that for years. I've never had a piece slip or move and never had vacuum leaks from it. Takes all of 2 minutes.


Well, art is art, isn't it? Still, on the other hand, water is water! And east is east and west is west and if you take cranberries and stew them like applesauce they taste much more like prunes than rhubarb does. Now, uh... Now you tell me what you know.
Re: Felpro valley pan fiasco [Re: 62maxwgn] #880396
12/18/10 01:42 PM
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Those d#mn Chrysler engineers didn't know what they were doing when they left all those crossover's open.Look at the millions of motors they screwed up. :whistling




The engineers were just making a compromise to appease the masses, the average buying public, which we are not.
It made for a car with quicker/better warm-up manners, many sales would have been lost if Chrysler got a reputation for running poorly when cold.
A slight decrease in power was the penalty, which the masses were far less likely to notice.
Much like soft-shifts in an automatic, super light power steering, and soft suspensions-the buying public equated that with quality---the owners 40 years later? Not so much!

Re: Felpro valley pan fiasco [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #880397
12/18/10 02:33 PM
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I have them in stock and verified that they are correct. Let me know if you still need one.

Re: Felpro valley pan fiasco [Re: CRE2004] #880398
12/18/10 02:38 PM
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My car warms up plenty fast with it blocked. Fast idle for a minute or so, start on the drive, 150 within 2 miles or less, 180 not long after that, 190 within less than 10 minutes, I would guess closer to 8 minutes.

Re: Felpro valley pan fiasco [Re: SomeCarGuy] #880399
12/18/10 02:54 PM
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IMo, it's got a lot more to do with a correctly fucntioning cold environment starting system than any other reason. The crossover function has nothing to do with engine operating temp. It lets the choke pull off faster and apparently there wasn't enough power lost through heating the plenum base to make it not a good idea for the factory. But once an engine is no longer stock I see no reason for it. You can simply re-set the choke if you stay with a factory one, or remove it entirely with little fanfare. JMO anyway. I drove my 6bbl car with no choke all winter for a couple years. Freezing cold starts meant I had to feather the gas for about 10 seconds. This car had 7" of idle vacuum and was not really close to stock.


Well, art is art, isn't it? Still, on the other hand, water is water! And east is east and west is west and if you take cranberries and stew them like applesauce they taste much more like prunes than rhubarb does. Now, uh... Now you tell me what you know.
Re: Felpro valley pan fiasco [Re: moper] #880400
12/19/10 01:45 AM
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the heat on the bottom of intake helps with the gas atomazation also

so its not just a choke thing,IMO


Re: Felpro valley pan fiasco [Re: scratchnfotraction] #880401
12/19/10 06:30 PM
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didn't read all the replys hope i'm not repeating one but i found the pieces that where supplied with the pan would eventually burn through so i cut out stainless steel pieces.better then filling the head or intake. never had to replaced them.

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