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Re: Scat pak decal on quarter window?
[Re: jeff968]
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12/06/10 03:07 PM
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Is this a factory circa 1970 document?
Here is the engineering drawing from Chrysler. We just reproduced these decals because the ones that are currently being sold throughout the industry do not represent the originals. Along with the spec drawing, here is a photo of an original and our reproduction!
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Re: Scat pak decal on quarter window?
[Re: 6bblgt]
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12/06/10 03:56 PM
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'70-'71 Parts Catalog shows: 23-63-134 DECAL, Qtr. Wdo. Glass Scat Pack Insignia (J) - (W '70) - (L '70)
The '70-'71 Parts Catalog also shown one pair of part numbers 3505 100 & 3505 101 - I thought there were 3 pairs (1 each for A, B, & E-bodies with the corner cut to match the roofline of the 1/4 window to aid installation). What does the '70 ONLY Catalog show? 
 Dave's post of the engineering drawing states:
3505102-3 (S/O 3505100) DECAL-QTR WDO GLASS "SCAT PACK" INSIGNIA 
Anyone know the translation for the "(S/O 3505100)"? 
Anyone have pics of their original backing from one of the T/As mentioned?
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Re: Scat pak decal on quarter window?
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12/06/10 04:47 PM
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S/O = Service Order (#) or Service Only (#)
thank you & Tom
Do you have the similar engineering drawings for Charger & Dart (or any from '71 model year)?
Last edited by 6bblgt; 12/06/10 04:51 PM.
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Re: Scat pak decal on quarter window?
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12/06/10 11:11 PM
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PAINT STRIPE DECK LID, QTR PANEL & DECAL MODELS F/J-S-00 ($V90) F/J55-H-23,27 ($A66)($V90/V98)I think we need a decoder ring for the engineering drawings  is this a proper translation? F - 1970 model yearJ - DODGE e-body - Challenger S - price class SPECIAL - R/T00 - body style - ALL$ - with (OPTION)V - stripe9 - painted "bumblebee"0 - colors - ALLand F - 1970 model yearJ - DODGE e-body - Challenger55 - engine - 340 4bblH - price class HIGH - Challenger23 - body style - 2 door hardtop27 - body style - 2 door convertible$ - with (OPTION)A66 - 340 4bbl engine package $ - with (OPTION)V - stripe9 - painted "bumblebee"0 - colors - ALLor V - stripe9 - painted "bumblebee"8 - DELETEIt would be cool to see the revision data. When was the A66 nomenclature added? (see A66 thread) I see this engineering drawing covers the A66 cars w/V98 "stripe DELETE" - they should have "Scat Pack" Bees. Since V90 was a R/T OPTION there has to be a similar drawing for the STANDARD V60 & V68 R/Ts? & A & B-bodies.
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Re: Scat pak decal on quarter window?
[Re: 6bblgt]
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12/07/10 12:52 AM
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I've got a 70 A66 Challenger that I have owned since 1979. It is an FK5 stripe delete car, and it has window bees. Before I got the car, it had never been messed with. I had another 70 A66 that I bought in the early 80's as a parts car, and it had window bees also. I don't know if it was a stripe delete car. All I remember about it, was that it was B5 blue and looked like it had been painted with a pine top!  
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Re: Scat pak decal on quarter window?
[Re: 6bblgt]
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12/07/10 02:45 AM
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Anyone have pics of their original backing from one of the T/As mentioned?
I think I saw them on Barry's 173 mile T/A photo CD. I don't have it with me on this computer though. (traveling currently)
Tav
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Re: Scat pak decal on quarter window?
[Re: cataclysm80]
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12/07/10 02:54 AM
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Does that mean that the RT models with V98 stripe delete should not have the bees? (all of this pertaining to only 1970 of coarse.)
Notice the word "STANDARD" that is spelled out under the Bee drawing. It pertains to all models mentioned in the applications box for this engineered blueprint. There should be no models exempted that are specifically listed/called out.
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Re: Scat pak decal on quarter window?
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12/07/10 03:25 AM
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The STANDARD stripe on a '70 Challenger R/T was V60 (OPTIONAL colors), so if it was ordered without stripes, the stripe DELETE code would be V68. V90 (OPTIONAL colors) was a N/C (no cost/no charge) OPTION.
A66 was STANDARD with V90 (OPTIONAL colors), so if it was ordered without stripes, the stripe DELETE code would be V98.
Dave, What was "wrong" with your reproductions? How did they differ from factory applied?
I'm convinced (until proven wrong) that the 3505100-1 were factory applied on b-bodies, 3505102-3 were factory applied on e-bodies & WAG there were 3505104-5 for the Darts. The 3505100-1 saw life as the service replacement part for all body styles since it was the highest use factory pair.
'70 muscle car "SCAT PACK" Dodges:
a-body * 13,781 * Dart Swinger 340
e-body * 27,235 * Challenger R/T, R/T SE, T/A & A66 (#s exceeded projections)
b-body * 28,458 * Charger R/T, Coronet R/T, Super Bee
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Re: Scat pak decal on quarter window?
[Re: 6bblgt]
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12/07/10 01:06 PM
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Dave, What was "wrong" with your reproductions? How did they differ from factory applied?
I'm convinced (until proven wrong) that the 3505100-1 were factory applied on b-bodies, 3505102-3 were factory applied on e-bodies & WAG there were 3505104-5 for the Darts.
There are differences in both the actual drawing and coloring of the decals. The service NOS replacements are not like the factory versions. Also, the engineered drawing I posted earlier was for E Body (B&J) illustrations only. It comes from a reference manual specific to only E body vehicles. I can't make a hypothesis or guess other than the documented facts I have access to. Regarding this subject matter, I cannot prove a negative! What Chrysler information have you documented that causes you to feel "convinced" about A & B Bodies using a separate part number?
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and having our reproductions (artwork) changed to represent the Factory originals! At least now what we offer will be "factory correct". 
