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#2320020 - 06/12/17 03:39 PM Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update [Re: minivan]
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#2320047 - 06/12/17 04:12 PM Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update [Re: JamiePasson]
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THATS MY 855.
Pictures are from the B Bodies FB page.
Easy install, same crossmember and drive shaft, the new speedo cable is routed from right side over the trans, plenty of room between trans and tunnel.
It's in my 69 GTX and I have 400 miles on it so far, (break-in 600) and I love it, 3.55 rear gear and around 80mph @ 2600 rpm. Shifts are smooth and firm as you would expect from a brand new performance gearbox.


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#2324687 - 06/21/17 11:25 AM Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update [Re: JamiePasson]
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What would the total cost difference be between a Passon 855 and a TKO 600?
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#2325242 - 06/22/17 12:40 PM Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update [Re: JamiePasson]
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My buddy put an American Power Train TKO600 kit in his Fury and the kit less clutch arrived for a cost of just under $4,500. So whatever the going rate for the A855 is (which seems to be somewhat closely kept) would be the difference assuming you have existing factory 4 SPD components. APT can send a kit out the door tomorrow. So for an E or B body a kit is available if you are not set on a drop in solution.

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#2325848 - 06/23/17 04:37 PM Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update [Re: Slimfish]
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Originally Posted By Slimfish
My buddy put an American Power Train TKO600 kit in his Fury and the kit less clutch arrived for a cost of just under $4,500. So whatever the going rate for the A855 is (which seems to be somewhat closely kept) would be the difference assuming you have existing factory 4 SPD components. APT can send a kit out the door tomorrow. So for an E or B body a kit is available if you are not set on a drop in solution.




Last I recall the Passon 5 speed is "currently" $4995, for that you get, transmission, shifter assy, and speedo cable

You'll need to procure all the other manual tranny conversion parts if you don't have them, or your vehicle is currently an automatic

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#2326288 - 06/24/17 11:52 PM Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update [Re: JamiePasson]
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the thing about the American Powertrain kit according to American Powertrain support is that sometimes you need to "modify" the floor and sometimes you don't.....hate to find out I am one of the modify victims after the trans arrives.

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#2326391 - 06/25/17 10:53 AM Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update [Re: mjb765]
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Originally Posted By mjb765
the thing about the American Powertrain kit according to American Powertrain support is that sometimes you need to "modify" the floor and sometimes you don't.....hate to find out I am one of the modify victims after the trans arrives.
Really? "Victim" I don't get that attitude at all, these cars were built with such sloppy tolerances that stock "replacement" parts need to be modified. If you are installing a transmission that was never intended for your car and needs modification I don't see how you are being victimized. That's just Hot Rodding. shruggy
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#2326604 - 06/25/17 07:38 PM Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update [Re: Skeptic]
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Originally Posted By Skeptic
Originally Posted By mjb765
the thing about the American Powertrain kit according to American Powertrain support is that sometimes you need to "modify" the floor and sometimes you don't.....hate to find out I am one of the modify victims after the trans arrives.
Really? "Victim" I don't get that attitude at all, these cars were built with such sloppy tolerances that stock "replacement" parts need to be modified. If you are installing a transmission that was never intended for your car and needs modification I don't see how you are being victimized. That's just Hot Rodding. shruggy


I get that....but when they claim bolt in and then the story changes when you call and question it. I have done my share of modifying to make something work over the years, but you expect that when you make your choice. When a company claims that it bolts right in, then it should. Not going to get into a back and forth over this, but everybody has an opinion....not really an attitude.

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#2327865 - 06/27/17 11:43 PM Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update [Re: JamiePasson]
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Jamie's product is the ONLY option that WILL bolt in: no risk, no excuses, no compromise due to the understood sloppy tolerances of how cars were made in the past.

Hot Rodding is an intergral aspect out our hobby that we enjoy- but many do not want a 5 speed to be a compromising component of our particular Mopars. We want a solution that does not alter the original configuration of these cars. Jamie is the only offering that provides such solution. With that, many of us are willing to pay the price and patiently wait for our unit to be built.

Jamie's 855 offering is the pinnacle of hot rodding: it is something that has been crafted to improve our cars-without excuse- and does so as if it was there all along. Something that does these 3 things in harmony is the truest form of hot rod engineering.
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1969 Satellite Conv: H code 383/4 speed, N85
2001 Dodge 2500 HO CTD, 6 speed, 4x4 quad cab long bed
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#2327935 - 06/28/17 08:07 AM Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update [Re: EWJ]
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Originally Posted By EWJ
Jamie's product is the ONLY option that WILL bolt in: no risk, no excuses, no compromise due to the understood sloppy tolerances of how cars were made in the past.

Hot Rodding is an intergral aspect out our hobby that we enjoy- but many do not want a 5 speed to be a compromising component of our particular Mopars. We want a solution that does not alter the original configuration of these cars. Jamie is the only offering that provides such solution. With that, many of us are willing to pay the price and patiently wait for our unit to be built.

Jamie's 855 offering is the pinnacle of hot rodding: it is something that has been crafted to improve our cars-without excuse- and does so as if it was there all along. Something that does these 3 things in harmony is the truest form of hot rod engineering.


Well said!!!

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#2328227 - 06/28/17 06:03 PM Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update [Re: EWJ]
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Originally Posted By EWJ
Jamie's product is the ONLY option that WILL bolt in: no risk, no excuses, no compromise due to the understood sloppy tolerances of how cars were made in the past.

Hot Rodding is an intergral aspect out our hobby that we enjoy- but many do not want a 5 speed to be a compromising component of our particular Mopars. We want a solution that does not alter the original configuration of these cars. Jamie is the only offering that provides such solution. With that, many of us are willing to pay the price and patiently wait for our unit to be built.

Jamie's 855 offering is the pinnacle of hot rodding: it is something that has been crafted to improve our cars-without excuse- and does so as if it was there all along. Something that does these 3 things in harmony is the truest form of hot rod engineering.
I agree whole heartedly, if your 833 fits then the 855 is engineered to fit and seems to be a game changer for people that want a modern trans, without the hammering. I can also understand American Powertrain POV, they have no idea if your nearly 50YO car is a well built survivor, a 99-pnt resto, or a clapped out rustbucket that has floorboards made of stolen stop signs, or just flogged on the strip for most of it's life and is bent to hell.
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#2328373 - 06/28/17 10:31 PM Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update [Re: Skeptic]
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Originally Posted By Skeptic
Originally Posted By EWJ
Jamie's product is the ONLY option that WILL bolt in: no risk, no excuses, no compromise due to the understood sloppy tolerances of how cars were made in the past.

Hot Rodding is an intergral aspect out our hobby that we enjoy- but many do not want a 5 speed to be a compromising component of our particular Mopars. We want a solution that does not alter the original configuration of these cars. Jamie is the only offering that provides such solution. With that, many of us are willing to pay the price and patiently wait for our unit to be built.

Jamie's 855 offering is the pinnacle of hot rodding: it is something that has been crafted to improve our cars-without excuse- and does so as if it was there all along. Something that does these 3 things in harmony is the truest form of hot rod engineering.
I agree whole heartedly, if your 833 fits then the 855 is engineered to fit and seems to be a game changer for people that want a modern trans, without the hammering. I can also understand American Powertrain POV, they have no idea if your nearly 50YO car is a well built survivor, a 99-pnt resto, or a clapped out rustbucket that has floorboards made of stolen stop signs, or just flogged on the strip for most of it's life and is bent to hell.


Not blaming American Powertrain for the product..it is what it is.....my ONLY issue is when they say it fits with no mods, then change their tune when you call.....I'm sure it is a fine unit.

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#2328400 - 06/28/17 11:17 PM Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update [Re: mjb765]
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Originally Posted By mjb765
Originally Posted By Skeptic
Originally Posted By EWJ
Jamie's product is the ONLY option that WILL bolt in: no risk, no excuses, no compromise due to the understood sloppy tolerances of how cars were made in the past.

Hot Rodding is an intergral aspect out our hobby that we enjoy- but many do not want a 5 speed to be a compromising component of our particular Mopars. We want a solution that does not alter the original configuration of these cars. Jamie is the only offering that provides such solution. With that, many of us are willing to pay the price and patiently wait for our unit to be built.

Jamie's 855 offering is the pinnacle of hot rodding: it is something that has been crafted to improve our cars-without excuse- and does so as if it was there all along. Something that does these 3 things in harmony is the truest form of hot rod engineering.
I agree whole heartedly, if your 833 fits then the 855 is engineered to fit and seems to be a game changer for people that want a modern trans, without the hammering. I can also understand American Powertrain POV, they have no idea if your nearly 50YO car is a well built survivor, a 99-pnt resto, or a clapped out rustbucket that has floorboards made of stolen stop signs, or just flogged on the strip for most of it's life and is bent to hell.


Not blaming American Powertrain for the product..it is what it is.....my ONLY issue is when they say it fits with no mods, then change their tune when you call.....I'm sure it is a fine unit.


I think it is excellent that American Powertrain and others (SST) are making the investment to bring other offers to the Mopar market. We need their engagement as well. But many are not willing to risk cutting on some of their cars. If I was building a pro touring car based on a 318 or /6 body their items would be considered. But I am not willing to cut on my X9 Numbers matching GTX (even though it is far from a show car). Many feel the same way on their more historically relevant rides. The more the merrier in this regard. Neither path is inexpensive and each have their merits. The point is that I and many others are willing to wait for Jamie to call any say their unit is ready. And for me, when the first one is done, I will place my order for a second one that same day.
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EastCoast Land Yacht Assoc.
1969 GTX: 440/4 speed, TX9/TX9, A34, N96
1969 Satellite Conv: H code 383/4 speed, N85
2001 Dodge 2500 HO CTD, 6 speed, 4x4 quad cab long bed
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#2329124 - 06/30/17 11:13 AM Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update [Re: DAYCLONA]
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Originally Posted By DAYCLONA
Originally Posted By Slimfish
My buddy put an American Power Train TKO600 kit in his Fury and the kit less clutch arrived for a cost of just under $4,500. So whatever the going rate for the A855 is (which seems to be somewhat closely kept) would be the difference assuming you have existing factory 4 SPD components. APT can send a kit out the door tomorrow. So for an E or B body a kit is available if you are not set on a drop in solution.




Last I recall the Passon 5 speed is "currently" $4995, for that you get, transmission, shifter assy, and speedo cable

You'll need to procure all the other manual tranny conversion parts if you don't have them, or your vehicle is currently an automatic
I haven't got to install it yet and I got a discount also but I bought the SST T-56 Magnum Kit for $7K but I bought some other stuff with it. That includes the oil for tranny, a driveshaft, bell housing, template to were to cut your tunnel and the metal to reweld it with, transmission support, cables, all of the electrical wiring for it. A pistol grip shifter, billet flywheel, ram HD clutch and a hydraulic set up.


Edited by 70RT Charger (06/30/17 11:14 AM)

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#2329149 - 06/30/17 12:33 PM Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update [Re: EWJ]
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Originally Posted By EWJ
Originally Posted By mjb765
Originally Posted By Skeptic
Originally Posted By EWJ
Jamie's product is the ONLY option that WILL bolt in: no risk, no excuses, no compromise due to the understood sloppy tolerances of how cars were made in the past.

Hot Rodding is an intergral aspect out our hobby that we enjoy- but many do not want a 5 speed to be a compromising component of our particular Mopars. We want a solution that does not alter the original configuration of these cars. Jamie is the only offering that provides such solution. With that, many of us are willing to pay the price and patiently wait for our unit to be built.

Jamie's 855 offering is the pinnacle of hot rodding: it is something that has been crafted to improve our cars-without excuse- and does so as if it was there all along. Something that does these 3 things in harmony is the truest form of hot rod engineering.
I agree whole heartedly, if your 833 fits then the 855 is engineered to fit and seems to be a game changer for people that want a modern trans, without the hammering. I can also understand American Powertrain POV, they have no idea if your nearly 50YO car is a well built survivor, a 99-pnt resto, or a clapped out rustbucket that has floorboards made of stolen stop signs, or just flogged on the strip for most of it's life and is bent to hell.


Not blaming American Powertrain for the product..it is what it is.....my ONLY issue is when they say it fits with no mods, then change their tune when you call.....I'm sure it is a fine unit.


I think it is excellent that American Powertrain and others (SST) are making the investment to bring other offers to the Mopar market. We need their engagement as well. But many are not willing to risk cutting on some of their cars. If I was building a pro touring car based on a 318 or /6 body their items would be considered. But I am not willing to cut on my X9 Numbers matching GTX (even though it is far from a show car). Many feel the same way on their more historically relevant rides. The more the merrier in this regard. Neither path is inexpensive and each have their merits. The point is that I and many others are willing to wait for Jamie to call any say their unit is ready. And for me, when the first one is done, I will place my order for a second one that same day.


Agreed!!

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#2329168 - 06/30/17 01:17 PM Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update [Re: 70RT Charger]
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I would really check your driveline angle in the mock up stage, if it is like the old Keisler perfect fit deal they supplied a rear cross member that lowered the rear trans mount by about 1.5 inches to have the A41 clear the tunnel. Which in my case caused a vibration issue, hence the reason I have a 855 in my car, which has been awesome since Aug 2013 and is getting close to 10000 miles on it.
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#2329199 - 06/30/17 02:47 PM Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update [Re: 572hemi]
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Originally Posted By 572hemi
I would really check your driveline angle in the mock up stage, if it is like the old Keisler perfect fit deal they supplied a rear cross member that lowered the rear trans mount by about 1.5 inches to have the A41 clear the tunnel. Which in my case caused a vibration issue, hence the reason I have a 855 in my car, which has been awesome since Aug 2013 and is getting close to 10000 miles on it.
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Did you actually have a GM 4L60E behind that beast?

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#2329265 - 06/30/17 05:19 PM Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update [Re: 70RT Charger]
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I did, lasted 73 miles the first time, about 2000 2nd, found out the TPS was bad and not building pressure, by that time I was afraid of it so went manual after 6500 miles, transmission pressure gauge should be included. I should clarify that the eng was 635 HP and 665 Torque then, at the upper limit of the trans capability.


Edited by 572hemi (06/30/17 05:41 PM)
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#2329340 - 06/30/17 08:11 PM Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update [Re: 572hemi]
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This reminds me of a rifle stock that I bought and took 3 years to get. Company announced it a bit early and got a bit backlogged. Like this trans it was a high quality labor intensive product. In the end it all worked out.

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#2329685 - 07/01/17 11:15 AM Re: New Passon Performance 5 Speed update [Re: 572hemi]
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Originally Posted By 572hemi
I did, lasted 73 miles the first time, about 2000 2nd, found out the TPS was bad and not building pressure, by that time I was afraid of it so went manual after 6500 miles, transmission pressure gauge should be included. I should clarify that the eng was 635 HP and 665 Torque then, at the upper limit of the trans capability.
I figured that would have short lived lol. I was on the list 4-ever for the 855 I just can't wait anymore. I don't care to cut my tunnel up and the T-56 Magnum is a great Trannsmission and I also went with the close ratio.

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