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Re: Is there a good link on a 383 build on here???? [Re: 451Mopar] #848853
11/12/10 09:34 AM
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That's a nice breakdown. little too much CCJ for my tastes , but there is no way I could get all that machine work done where I live for $864, bore and hone with a torque plate was $300 last time I had it done.

Re: Is there a good link on a 383 build on here???? [Re: BSB67] #848854
11/12/10 12:04 PM
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Your right, I think machine work may be a bit higher. By the time I got to that part I just threw in some rough estimates. I use a semi-retired machinest and his prices are lower than what seems to be the normal rate. In my notes I did estimate the machine work could be around $1,000.
I have my own cam bearing tool, so I haven't paid to have that done in several years.

The stealth heads have valve springs that are compatable with the cam.

I used two reference sources, Summit Racing and 440 Source. If the part does not mention 440 Source that it was referenced from Summit. The only non-name brand parts from 440 source are the heads, timing set, and Harmonic balancer. I listed 440 Source for some of the brand name parts because they have good prices on those parts. I think shipping on the stealth heads was $50 when I bought mine.

To keep the costs down, assumed the re-use of the oil pan/pickup, rocker system, intermedate shaft,pushrods, distrubitor, plug wires, ignition coil, water pump, valve covers, etc.

I like the HV pump because it gives good pressure at idle, but stock size pump works too.
I quoted using the 440 source timing set. I have this timing set and it is a nice setup, but you could use any 3-bolt timing gear set, even less expensive units. If you look at the parts, these are not the bottom dollar parts, they are higher performance parts than just standard rebuilder parts. You may be able to bring the cost down by using lower quality bearings, piston rings, gaskets, head bolts, main bearing bolts, rod bolts,etc.
The harmonic balancer is a big question mark as to how much to spend and which to get. You might be able to save money if re-using the stock balancer, but I would not trust a 40-year dampner. I have not used the 440 source dampner, so that is a big "?", but I would recommend at least a new dampner, but it needs to be able to accept the stock pulleys (The stock dampner is recessed) because some of the performance dampner like the fluid dampner and ATI will require different depth pulleys.
The ARP main studs are optional, but they add less than $50, and are one of the items that would be difficult to add-on at a later date.
That gets us back the the rocker system. The rockers and pushrods are easy to upgrade by just removing the valve covers.
I also listed the Champion spark plugs from 440 Source. I did that to just try cover all costs, but I prefer NGK spark plugs, just personal preference.
I listed the Edelbrock RPM intake because it works and is easely avaliable new. One issue with running a low deck "B" block is the lack of intake selection. Also, if buying a used intake, you don't alaways know what modifications have been done to it.

Last note, the Stealth heads were chosen because they do have a stock appearance and are inexpensive. If the appearance is not an issue, you could go with the Edelbrock heads for a few $$$ more. You could also do this with stock Iron heads, rebuilt with larger valves, hardened exhaust seats, and ported but that may be even more expensive than the aftermarket heads?

There are many ways to build the engine, this is just my on what I believe is good "bang for the buck"

Re: Is there a good link on a 383 build on here???? [Re: 451Mopar] #848855
11/12/10 01:25 PM
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Thanks for all the great info. That sounds pretty cool. I do plan to use all my stock parts like oil pan, valve covers, water pump and I have the intake, carb and ignition. I guess the heads have to be figured out ahead of time before getting pistons because want they require a higher comp ratio? At least that is sort of what I get out of them because the alum heads rob heat? I did some more research on the stealth head and people do seem to like them for the most part. For the $ it seems hard to pass them up. I have the stock 906's but it sounds like they will need a ton of $ and work to come even close and may not even still be as good at probably a higher cost. I truly appreciate all the advice, knowledge and research you guys and offered. Thank you very much!

Re: Is there a good link on a 383 build on here???? [Re: BeeFreak] #848856
11/12/10 02:11 PM
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I should have some real work Stealth Head info fairly soon. Maybe I should chassis dyno the car before and after doing the head swap. I'm just waiting for the rocker arms to arrive.
I know a few people running the heads out of the box with no complaints, but I have read the really early batches had some issues with locks/retainers? The ones on my heads look fine for my application?

I have done the rebuilt/ported 906 heads before on my old 383, and it was more expensive than I though it was going to be. It was mostly labor related costs:
Clean heads, surface/mill heads, replace valve guides, install exhaust seats, port heads, multi-angle valve job, and cut spring pockets.
Plus all the parts:
New valves, valve guides, exhaust seats, guide seals, core plugs, springs, shims, locks, and retainers.

If I was a machine shop, It would makes sense to tell you to re-use your stock stuff because they make more money selling you the machining labor.

Re: Is there a good link on a 383 build on here???? [Re: 451Mopar] #848857
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If I was a machine shop, It would makes sense to tell you to re-use your stock stuff because they make more money selling you the machining labor.




You said a mouth full there .

I have had 3 sets of 906's done , the cheapest set with the least amount of work done I have $1500 in them , and about 4500 total between the 3 sets.

Re: Is there a good link on a 383 build on here???? [Re: JohnRR] #848858
11/12/10 09:42 PM
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If I was a machine shop, It would makes sense to tell you to re-use your stock stuff because they make more money selling you the machining labor.




You said a mouth full there .

I have had 3 sets of 906's done , the cheapest set with the least amount of work done I have $1500 in them , and about 4500 total between the 3 sets.




It cuts both ways. I'm way okay with spending money at my local - high quality machine shop and get a quality piece in return verses paying to have something shipped to my door. Of course, I don't want to pay more and get less.

I personnally would not buy a cheap balancer. I would check out what I have, verify that it's not spun, and then keep an eye on it until I could upgrade.

I agree, if he is on a tighter budget, there a few items that he could spend less on without risk considering his performance level.

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