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carbon fiber body parts? #846701
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looking for nose, doors for my 70 cuda in carbon fiber any ideas thanks

Re: carbon fiber body parts? [Re: 7sec.cuda] #846702
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How deep is your wallet ? ....verrry Xpensive raw materials and the weight-savings over GOOD race car regular-fiberglass parts in not-that-hot.

Re: carbon fiber body parts? [Re: dOc !] #846703
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yea but if your talking about cuda (ebody) parts the market is there..
i have a guy here in georgia that does LOTS of first form pieces for road race teams and
i am sure he could do them...if he isnt too busy.
and again..for a cuda iam sure there is a return on the investment greater than the average race car..
ill post his link.
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my nose weighs 90 pounds with the headlights and grille how much would the nose and doors weigh in carbon and how much they would cost? i dont have a wallet. sometimes weight is a lot cheaper to buy than horsepower.

Re: carbon fiber body parts? [Re: 7sec.cuda] #846705
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To make sure we are on the same page, there are really 2? kinds of CF, the real high tech CF high temp oven baked vacum bag F1 stuff, and the typical resin/epoxy CF cloth reinforced matrix. I think you are talking cost wise about the latter. It is not to tough to do, and after a visit to AAR Fiberglass in Melborne, Fla, the owner years ago said he would do CF on any of his existing molds at an upcharge. However, there is not a great deal of weight savings, only more cost, increased flash factor, tougher to repair, with some increase in stiffness, allowing some/slight reduction in thickness. The F1 stuff is what you want, but can't get,


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GOTTA be kind-of blunt and direct here ..... AAR talking about CF parts ??? ...

When they probably make the HEAVIEST race-car-parts on the planet !! ...

Now the stuff is good quality BOLT ON stuff ... where weight is of no concern ...

Oh YEAH ...F1 stuff ... .... but they have the budgets of probably TEN funny-car teams ..

Re: carbon fiber body parts? [Re: dOc !] #846707
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the guy iam talking about is vacume formed kiln baked...
i took a 6" piece about 30" long and jumped up and down on it...
it was stiffer than a 2x6 and i weigh 221 lbs.
its a honeycomb center matrix section..the stuff he makes..
plus they squeegee out the extra resins..
he said..the fabric sometimes is hard to get..but the resin is the expensive part..(for the real stuff)
pretty awsome stuff..he does cockpit interiors and air spoilers for BMW,MAZDA,and some GM stuff.
road race cars..bread and butter.
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GOTTA be kind-of blunt and direct here ..... AAR talking about CF parts ??? ...

When they probably make the HEAVIEST race-car-parts on the planet !! ...

Now the stuff is good quality BOLT ON stuff ... where weight is of no concern ...

Oh YEAH ...F1 stuff ... .... but they have the budgets of probably TEN funny-car teams ..





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I tried to answer the guys question, didn;t mean to kick a hornets nest, I'll go back reread my first reply see what i missed.


Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
Re: carbon fiber body parts? [Re: 7sec.cuda] #846709
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i dont have a wallet.






YA gotta have a decent "wallet" to do what you do !!

I would suggest that you empty the FE and the doors of ANYthing not fiberglass and then see what you have.

BTW ...what does the car weigh now?

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the guy iam talking about is vacume formed kiln baked...
i took a 6" piece about 30" long and jumped up and down on it...
it was stiffer than a 2x6 and i weigh 221 lbs.
its a honeycomb center matrix section..the stuff he makes..
plus they squeegee out the extra resins..
he said..the fabric sometimes is hard to get..but the resin is the expensive part..(for the real stuff)
pretty awsome stuff..he does cockpit interiors and air spoilers for BMW,MAZDA,and some GM stuff.
road race cars..bread and butter.
cheapst




Yea thats the ticket, but as always isn't the real cost the upfront cost of building the one? off high temp molds? However if the guys in business, and there is enough demand for the part, problem solved.


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Re: carbon fiber body parts? [Re: dOc !] #846711
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Larry Childress at Composite Technologies (678) 546-1298.


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Hay cheapst ...... you seem to be aware of the current market and costs ...

what is the cost and weigh diff between reg FG and CF on say a hood and F bumper for a Duster?

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i wouldnt say i am up on it...
but a hood for my car ..with real c/f process
is a grand..he quoted/threw out when i asked him.
thats why i dont have one...
but i can tell you that a complete bm3 3 series dash..(it wraps down past the radio and almost to the shifter..fwiw..
feels like it is helium ballons...almost like it could float away..
its not a structual part..so its as thin as the cardboard on a cereal box..and sharp as a razor.
and the cool part is ..the color after being molded has the factory texture and looks remarkably stock once in the car..(blackish grey that is...)fwiw.
a bumper would be less...i am sure...
this economy hasnt afforded me the ability to source c/f for my car.
but maybe some day.?

i will also say..with hoods..you have to watch if you have a coil or coil wire or even sparkplug wires touch it ..it can cause grounding issues..

and he has shown me holes (looks like bullet holes) from where chunks of tire rubber hit a defuser at speed..its remarkebly stong..but not bullet proof..the honey comb in that application...single layer honeycomb like a defuser uses..is rigid in only a few axis..
for true stuctural parts..
he criss/crosses the pattern with double or multiple layers if and when mulitple stress axis are needed..like compression or sheer forces..fwiw.

fwiw...
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365" Iron J heads,,3480lbs best 1.39 60ft on SS springs.10.54,124 mph ...6.67 1/8th et.average 60fts 1.46 w/ small cam &.063 no2 pill tagged & insured
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GOTTA be kind-of blunt and direct here ..... AAR talking about CF parts ??? ...

When they probably make the HEAVIEST race-car-parts on the planet !! ...

Now the stuff is good quality BOLT ON stuff ... where weight is of no concern ...

Oh YEAH ...F1 stuff ... .... but they have the budgets of probably TEN funny-car teams ..




You have GOT TO BE KIDDING...I will take the heavy AAR stuff over any fiberglass on the market. The difference in weight savings over an AAR hood compared to a "good" lite weight hood you speak of will gain NOTHING in performance while the AAR product will look great and reamain sold for as longs as you have the car. AAR is THE BEST fiberglass out there...

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AAR is THE BEST fiberglass out there...




WHAT A JOKE! Obviously you havent bought one of there ( twisted ) front Dodge Challenger bumpers.
And then try to get your money back!
And he tells you thats the way they are.
Oh ya, Anyone want to buy a bad front Dodge Challenger bumper?

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Me KIDDING ....NOT on this topic ...

And if your really READ what I had to say ....I did not say their stuff was "junk" .. just heavy.

I say again .. they probably make the HEAVIEST race-car-parts on the planet !!

And the WEIGHT SAVINGS ? ... LOOK at what the OP will spend and go through on hopeful weight reduction.

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AAR is THE BEST fiberglass out there...




WHAT A JOKE! Obviously you havent bought one of there ( twisted ) front Dodge Challenger bumpers.
And then try to get your money back!
And he tells you thats the way they are.
Oh ya, Anyone want to buy a bad front Dodge Challenger bumper?




Can you post pictures of it?

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Took it to many shops and they all said to fix it, it would take lots of cutting and new glass work.
Pass. side fits the fender cut out perfact.
AAR said its from pulling it out of the mold, nothing can be done.

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believe me, it cant be shimmed.

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Re: carbon fiber body parts? [Re: Scotts71chall] #846720
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I decided just to cover it and have it look like carbon fiber

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