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Hemi Oil Pump #829788
10/14/10 06:41 PM
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I need help to get the right pump cover & hope someone

I have a World aluminum block which has the pickup plumbed directly into the block. I will use this for the single feed external line from the sump/pickup to the block.

I want to run an Remote Oil Filter, so which pump cover should I use? I have the Milodon 21815 pump.?

I want to retain the original engine mounts (Hemi/B-Body).
Hope someone can help.!



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Re: Hemi Oil Pump [Re: Keith Black®] #829789
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whoops typo.. *hope someone can help!
pic of pump:

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Re: Hemi Oil Pump [Re: Keith Black®] #829790
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actually with that pump you cannot use the pickup hole in the block,, you have the fitting comming right off the pump,, use it

Re: Hemi Oil Pump [Re: moderncylinder] #829791
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ok thanks, any clues on the cover to use?


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Re: Hemi Oil Pump [Re: Keith Black®] #829792
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Geeeze Darren, you just have to send me an email...

With the 21185 pump you use the 21220 or the 21230 cover. The 21220 has the second inlet from the back, and the 21230 has the second inlet from the side or the back, but the covers are interchangeable.

Remember the intermediate shaft is different with the pump.
You would use 21503 for a steel gear and 21523 for the bronze gear.

The remote filter fittings are -10 o-ring on the cover and -10 or -12 AN male for the lines. The covers do not include the fittings.

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Re: Hemi Oil Pump [Re: Mopar_Rich] #829793
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thanks Rich . It looks like the #21230 is the best option, as it relates to retaining existing engine mounts.

the pickup line from the pan goes to the front of the pump (the pickup hole at the front of the engine block is to be blocked off, as is the pickup flange inside the crankcase).

It would be useful to see a picture of filter out/in if someone has one with the #21230.

Drive gear noted, will need the bronze one. I'll make a trip to Earl's for the fittings. At least we have one of those stores in Australia not much else when it comes to Hemi's.


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This pump and cover assume TWO oils lines from the pan, and yes, block off the extra inlet if it's a World block.

Re: Hemi Oil Pump [Re: Mopar_Rich] #829795
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if you look at the pump, it has no provision to pickup any oil from the mounting surface on the block which is why i said you cant use the hole in the block,, that pump will actually block it all off just bolting the pump on,, id block off the external hole but the internal hole is no big deal. put a plug in the one you dont use on either the cover or pump, though id use the one on the pump,, i think its easier to fill the rotors comming from the back side,, ive tried both with a single line to 9000 rpm and seen no differnce in oil pressures

Re: Hemi Oil Pump [Re: Keith Black®] #829796
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Quote:

whoops typo.. *hope someone can help!
pic of pump:




If you want only 1 oil feedline you can run a stock pump cover with that pump. Which is what I use on my dart.

Re: Hemi Oil Pump [Re: Twin Turbo Mower] #829797
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Quote:

If you want only 1 oil feedline you can run a stock pump cover with that pump. Which is what I use on my dart.



I would think the stock cover doesn't support a remote filter setup?


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Re: Hemi Oil Pump [Re: moderncylinder] #829798
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Quote:

if you look at the pump, it has no provision to pickup any oil from the mounting surface on the block which is why i said you cant use the hole in the block,, that pump will actually block it all off just bolting the pump on,, id block off the external hole but the internal hole is no big deal. put a plug in the one you dont use on either the cover or pump, though id use the one on the pump,, i think its easier to fill the rotors comming from the back side,, ive tried both with a single line to 9000 rpm and seen no difference in oil pressures




So with the right cover I could feed the external line coming from the Pan into the rear of the pump (and block off the 2-front inlets one being in the pump itself and the other in the front of the block which will be blocked anyway with this pump) Correct ..??

If this is the case that'd be a clean install & the best for my application.

I assume in/out ports for the remote filter are thosee two ports on the front-leading edge of the pump cover?


Rich ...I think that'd be either of both of pump cover #21210 or #21200 ??

Darren


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I run a stock cover with the milodon pump you have pictured up top, and I thought summit sold a kit that worked with a stock cover. I could be wrong.

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Not my own experience but I have had two noted Mopar engine guys, DLI and RBRE, personally tell me that pump is problem child due to the aluminum body. They said it is too easy to flex it when you tighten the bolts.

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This is the cover I use. It has #12 AN fittings machined into the cover with a straight shot to the external oil lines.

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Installed in the car.

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Andy, I want one!!
Do you make those...?
will it work with Milodon pump?
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You probably can´t use Andys pump cover with stock motor mounts.

Re: Hemi Oil Pump [Re: Mopar_Rich] #829805
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Quote:

This pump and cover assume TWO oils lines from the pan, and yes, block off the extra inlet if it's a World block.




Does this mean I "have" to run two pickups from the pan , or will I get by with just one?


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Re: Hemi Oil Pump [Re: Keith Black®] #829806
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Quote:

Quote:

This pump and cover assume TWO oils lines from the pan, and yes, block off the extra inlet if it's a World block.




Does this mean I "have" to run two pickups from the pan , or will I get by with just one?





...My understanding is 2 lines are not needed unless you're going over 7,000 rpm.

Re: Hemi Oil Pump [Re: Keith Black®] #829807
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Quote:

Does this mean I "have" to run two pickups from the pan , or will I get by with just one?





I always run two lines because I like the security of the extra oil feeds to the pump. But I have also dynoed many engines with just one line and I have never had a problem with only one line either.

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