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Re: 10.02 @ 139.02 ... the black Road Runner goes FASTer [Re: bwdst6] #819834
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As another point to consider. SS/AH cars don't do anything, or aren't allowed to address bump steer and they seem to be ok going low 8's right now. And watching their front tires wobble when the front end comes down off the line makes me wince!




More keyboard quarter backing .

Here's a great idea they should only allow Mopars then the won't have a need to about ?

This is the same that came out when Wayne Nelson was the first into the 10's ... a Corvette isn't a MUSCLE CAR , it's a SPORTS CAR ... i'll admit I jumped on that dogpile for about 2 seconds then I realized it was a good thing , just like this is a GOOD THING, especially since it's cheaper to build a Ford than a Corvette

Re: 10.02 @ 139.02 ... the black Road Runner goes FASTer [Re: JERICOGTX] #819835
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Lots of arm chair quarterbacks here. Funny how the ones saying the rules need to be looked at/changed, have never entered a FAST race. As for installing cages, and window nets, the cars have run into the 9's at ONE event, and in mineshaft air. IF it happens again, I can see upgrading them, but once? No. Just my opinion...

Congrats to Dave and Lane for running in the 9's. [/quote)

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Re: 10.02 @ 139.02 ... the black Road Runner goes FASTer [Re: dannysbee] #819836
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I have to agree with the safety deal, These guys are craftsman to the fullest, and I am sure they can make a cage, net, look like they arent there, the chutes are another story. But either way, safety is most important. Also for all the guys complaining about the dum bump stearing issue, who cares, Im sure that little piece of safety didnt help his ET or speeds, his time in the Dyno Room, and his persistance to his setup is what got him there. Lane, Dave, and MANY MANY more FAST guys are pure inventive folks, and deserve a huge pat on the back. My dirt track buddy wraps his old tires in solophane and 20wt oil on during the week to soften them up, the rules dont say not to, and he takes advantage of what the rules leave out. Simple racing, humans have been doing this since the start of any racing. Its called competative edge, and IMHO drag racing is one of the few racing venues that you have any edge in.

Once again congrats guys, and Im sure there will be a few more in the 9s.


Re: 10.02 @ 139.02 ... the black Road Runner goes FASTer [Re: bwdst6] #819837
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As another point to consider. SS/AH cars don't do anything, or aren't allowed to address bump steer and they seem to be ok going low 8's right now. And watching their front tires wobble when the front end comes down off the line makes me wince!


Apples to peanuts comparison. Those cars have about 2 inches of front end travel, so bump steer is not as much of an issue. And who says they don't do anything about it. Just because you don't see it, or it is not glaringly obvious, does not mean it is not there. Unless you are the sharpest tech guy in the world, you are not going to see a slightly sectioned and refinished a-arm, to improve caster. Nor will you notice a slightly bent lower steering arm, to help bumpsteer...I'm jus sayin

Any racer who runs up front, makes..shall we say "creative" use of the rule book

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Re: 10.02 @ 139.02 ... the black Road Runner goes FASTer [Re: Monte_Smith] #819838
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Apples to peanuts comparison. Those cars have about 2 inches of front end travel, so bump steer is not as much of an issue. And who says they don't do anything about it.


Well anyone that says they do without evidence would be slanderous, right?


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Re: 10.02 @ 139.02 ... the black Road Runner goes FASTer [Re: bwdst6] #819839
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I would like to see a little change though, I would like to see a 30 mile drive, a cool down then a best of 3 passes, with a few conditions, after the drive, you can not open the hood, you can only add Gas and adjust air pressure to tires.
I saw this at a ford race with a class called real street, this would make it more impressive.
my

Re: 10.02 @ 139.02 ... the black Road Runner goes FASTer [Re: 10secGTX] #819840
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COOL!

It's obvious that the "stock sounding idle" rule is out the window though


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Re: 10.02 @ 139.02 ... the black Road Runner goes FASTer [Re: 10secGTX] #819841
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I would like to see a little change though, I would like to see a 30 mile drive, a cool down then a best of 3 passes, with a few conditions, after the drive, you can not open the hood, you can only add Gas and adjust air pressure to tires.
I saw this at a ford race with a class called real street, this would make it more impressive.
my





Most of the guys at the Pure Stocks wouldn't do this!!!! And I bet those guys were also running Drag Radials or Street Slick and were banging away on a keyboard to put in different fuel maps and opening up their Nitrous bottles. You may not be impressed with what they are doing, but I know that I am!!! Am I running in FAST, no. Do I want to run in FAST, no. Am I a supporter of their racing, YES!!!!

As for the tires standing up these speeds and not having a speed rating.... I have my call in to John Kelsey. A speed rating on a modern radial is a designation that this tire has been tested to be able to endure that speed, constant, for a set period of time (45- 1 hour if my memory serves correct). The reproduction tires are all DOT certified to a specific standard.

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Re: 10.02 @ 139.02 ... the black Road Runner goes FASTer [Re: SmallHurst] #819842
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I just want to say congrats to Lane and Dave. To Lane for having the fastest car right now and to Dave for all his hard work in keeping the Mopars at the top.

I really have to say I think Lane's Stang looks really good and he has done a great job with it. And as was said you know Dave has more coming for the wicked black Runner. And I cant wait to see the Max Wedge crack the nines ! Ron

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I would like to see a little change though, I would like to see a 30 mile drive, a cool down then a best of 3 passes, with a few conditions, after the drive, you can not open the hood, you can only add Gas and adjust air pressure to tires.
I saw this at a ford race with a class called real street, this would make it more impressive.
my








Boy I am glad we don't have to go through that ordeal. You guys do realize they are race cars right? As a guy that lines up next to Lane and all other FAST racers, I am glad everybody takes the time and money to make the cars go down the track as safely as possible. If that means the tie rods look alittle funny, So be it.


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Re: 10.02 @ 139.02 ... the black Road Runner goes FASTer [Re: 10secGTX] #819844
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I would like to see a little change though, I would like to see a 30 mile drive, a cool down then a best of 3 passes, with a few conditions, after the drive, you can not open the hood, you can only add Gas and adjust air pressure to tires.
I saw this at a ford race with a class called real street, this would make it more impressive.
my





I did go through 4 rounds of the Hot Rod magazine Hemi vs Buick vs Vette shoot-out without even shutting the car off one single time. (didn`t want to get rained out and it was close..)


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Re: 10.02 @ 139.02 ... the black Road Runner goes FASTer [Re: DaveDudek] #819845
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I would like to see a little change though, I would like to see a 30 mile drive, a cool down then a best of 3 passes, with a few conditions, after the drive, you can not open the hood, you can only add Gas and adjust air pressure to tires.
I saw this at a ford race with a class called real street, this would make it more impressive.
my





I did go through 4 rounds of the Hot Rod magazine Hemi vs Buick vs Vette shoot-out without even shutting the car off one single time. (didn`t want to get rained out and it was close..)




These cars ALL OF THEM impress me with out a doubt and I am a Huge fan it was just a way, I THOUGHT would level the playing field. I plan on being there if I can to see a 9.50 pass or better ... You guys rock.....Party on.

Re: 10.02 @ 139.02 ... the black Road Runner goes FASTer [Re: 10secGTX] #819846
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Congrats to both Lane Carey and Dave Dudek for both running 9 second ET's!


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Re: 10.02 @ 139.02 ... the black Road Runner goes FASTer [Re: bwdst6] #819847
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Apples to peanuts comparison. Those cars have about 2 inches of front end travel, so bump steer is not as much of an issue. And who says they don't do anything about it.


Well anyone that says they do without evidence would be slanderous, right?


Slanderous?????what are you, a lawyer or something. Lets just say I have been around a Super Stocker or two in my years in this sport. One in particular, a national record holder that sat in my dads garage.

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Re: 10.02 @ 139.02 ... the black Road Runner goes FAST [Re: Monte_Smith] #819848
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Apples to peanuts comparison. Those cars have about 2 inches of front end travel, so bump steer is not as much of an issue. And who says they don't do anything about it.


Well anyone that says they do without evidence would be slanderous, right?


Slanderous?????what are you, a lawyer or something. Lets just say I have been around a Super Stocker or two in my years in this sport. One in particular, a national record holder that sat in my dads garage.

Monte



Re: 10.02 @ 139.02 ... the black Road Runner goes FASTer [Re: Monte_Smith] #819849
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Slanderous?????what are you, a lawyer or something. Lets just say I have been around a Super Stocker or two in my years in this sport. One in particular, a national record holder that sat in my dads garage.


Oh wow. Well ironically enough I'll be going to the Grove tomorrow with the current SS/AH record holder.

I need to remember to ask him what his plans are for that stock stroke hemi FAST car he is building for next year!


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Re: 10.02 @ 139.02 ... the black Road Runner goes FASTer [Re: bwdst6] #819850
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I need to remember to ask him what his plans are for that stock stroke hemi FAST car he is building for next year!




What you should do is ask him what's been done to the front suspension of his SS/AH car........


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Re: 10.02 @ 139.02 ... the black Road Runner goes FASTer [Re: bwdst6] #819851
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As for the tire question:

Are the tires speed rated? no.
Do they pass DOT testing for load and durablity? yes and surpass.
Are they designed for racing? no.
Do they hold up to abuse? I would have to say yes. The tires that Lane pulled 1.52 60's with this weekend are 2 years old.

These tires are built using better materials than were available back in the day. These tires held up to a lot of abuse back in the day and they are doing a yeomans job of holding up to car producing upwards of 800 hp!! They were on cars that hit 130 plus out in the panhandle of Oklahoma back in the day and were burning down the boulivard in the back street brawls.

Can something go wrong? yes. Rocks, sharp objects, and other foreign material can cut a tire down.
Has anything gone wrong? Not to my knowledge. Not saying it can't happen.

You see slicks getting cut down and causing all kinds of issues when they go. I hope to never see this happen to anyone.


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Re: 10.02 @ 139.02 ... the black Road Runner goes FASTer [Re: SmallHurst] #819852
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As for the tire question:

Are the tires speed rated? no.
Do they pass DOT testing for load and durablity? yes and surpass.
Are they designed for racing? no.
Do they hold up to abuse? I would have to say yes. The tires that Lane pulled 1.52 60's with this weekend are 2 years old.

These tires are built using better materials than were available back in the day. These tires held up to a lot of abuse back in the day and they are doing a yeomans job of holding up to car producing upwards of 800 hp!! They were on cars that hit 130 plus out in the panhandle of Oklahoma back in the day and were burning down the boulivard in the back street brawls.

Can something go wrong? yes. Rocks, sharp objects, and other foreign material can cut a tire down.
Has anything gone wrong? Not to my knowledge. Not saying it can't happen.

You see slicks getting cut down and causing all kinds of issues when they go. I hope to never see this happen to anyone.




I have witnessed at least one potential mishap, and know of 2 others, and had the 2 cars been running slicks and skinnies on the front there is no doubt in my mind that those cars would have ended up on their ROOF once they went sideways , nevermind did a 360 plus and had very little damage.

If either the tires they use or a slick blows at 130plus the ending result will more than likely be the same .

I hope that wasn't too slanderous ...

Re: 10.02 @ 139.02 ... the black Road Runner goes FASTer [Re: Big Squeeze] #819853
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What you should do is ask him what's been done to the front suspension of his SS/AH car........


Don't need to. He does only what is legal for the class.


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