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Carb flooding cylinders 1 and 3 only, why?? #81791
06/29/08 07:32 PM
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This is a fresh built .030 440 with Eddy heads, a M1 intake and 750 Speed Demon.
I am trying to get my motor running for the first time. I keep having problems with cylinders 1 and 3 flooding with gas. The motor will fire and run maybe 20 seconds, then slow down and quit. It might fire again and sputter and no start. I pull the plugs and turn it over and gas will squirt out of 1 and 3.
What would cause the carb to give excess fuel to those two cylinders? I am not using the choke and I am not reefing it. I am using an electric fuel pump and the gauge says about 4 to 5 psi. The fuel is level in both float bowls.

P.S. First, I thought the head gasket was leaking water into the cylinder---I re-torqued the heads, and it still flooded-- I held a cup up to the #1 spark plug hole and it put maybe two ounces of gas with no water into the cup.

Any ideas are greatly appreciated.


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Re: Carb flooding cylinders 1 and 3 only, why?? [Re: TMCCuda] #81792
06/29/08 07:49 PM
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Sounds like trash in the needle seats,remove and clean/blow them out. Is this a new carb? If so you may want to remove the bowls and check for trash as well. If you have a known "good" carb it might be a good time to try it.

Re: Carb flooding cylinders 1 and 3 only, why?? [Re: TMCCuda] #81793
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Yeah, its a new carb... I pulled the bowls to check the float settings and look for trash before starting it, however I didn't look at the needle and seat for the primary...will check that next.

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Re: Carb flooding cylinders 1 and 3 only, why?? [Re: TMCCuda] #81794
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Try this,turn the electric pump on and while it's running shine a light down the carb with the engine off. Do you see fuel dripping from the boosters?

Re: Carb flooding cylinders 1 and 3 only, why?? [Re: TMCCuda] #81795
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Another think I'd be worried about is fuel contamination of the oil. Oil diluted with fuel makes a poor lubricant. I'd check or change it if in doubt.

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I turned the pump on and looked down the throat with a light...no fuel coming in from the boosters.

I will check the oil for gas...I got a bottle of cam break in lube along with Rotella... I was hoping to get the cam broke-in before changing the oil... oh well..
Thanks again.


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Re: Carb flooding cylinders 1 and 3 only, why?? [Re: TMCCuda] #81797
06/30/08 07:08 AM
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Adjust the idle mixture screw on the driver's side.


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Re: Carb flooding cylinders 1 and 3 only, why?? [Re: GODSCOUNTRY340] #81798
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I'll bet the flooding on 1 and 3 is a symptom. Look at your intake runners, is one and three lower than 5 and 7? Probably is. Sounds like the carb has an issue on that side and it's showing up on one and three.


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Re: Carb flooding cylinders 1 and 3 only, why?? [Re: Supercuda] #81799
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Supercuda-- I looked at the manifold and the bottom is level, It is an M1 single plane.

At the moment, I am going to dust off a Thermoquad that I rebuilt years ago and see if I can get it to run without flooding... I will deal with the other carb later.....Will let you all know how it turns out.


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Re: Carb flooding cylinders 1 and 3 only, why?? [Re: TMCCuda] #81800
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Had the same problem on my set up. Check your power valve if it has a hole in it it will leak gas and run into the cyl happend to me but on cyl 2 & 4. Also check your fuel pressure maybe gettin too much if so add a regulator. I also changed the seats although the carbs were new the needle & seats were junk.

Re: Carb flooding cylinders 1 and 3 only, why?? [Re: TMCCuda] #81801
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Is there good spark getting to those cylinders?
Maybe the fuel is not getting fired.

Re: Carb flooding cylinders 1 and 3 only, why?? [Re: coro500net] #81802
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I got it running using the Thermoquad. No flooding in any cylinders anymore.
For some backround, the motor is on a borrowed homemade test stand. I am trying to get the motor broke in and then it goes to get dyno tuned.
It ran great for a few of minutes while I was trying to set the idle for break-in. Then when everything seemed to be going well...the positive battery cable fell on the header, and in a spectacular cloud of sparks and smoke, caused a dead short and melted the negative cable to the battery terminal.

The Demon is on the bench and will get played with later.


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