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Re: What MSD doesn't tell you. [Re: Crizila] #747106 07/13/10 04:09 PM 07/13/10 04:09 PM
Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 8,165 Left Coast B BobR master
BobR master B Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 8,165 Left Coast	Quote: Quote: Quote: do you know any Robert Frost poems hidden in your subliminal mind? There was an old man from Kent,..... U mean Nantucket! I heard about that dude...

Re: What MSD doesn't tell you. [Re: Hemiroid] #747107 07/13/10 04:17 PM 07/13/10 04:17 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	If you haven't seem OE ignitions fail and not provide spark then you might want to back out of this discussion due to a lack of information and real world experience. I cant count how many dist pick ups I've changed in the 4 cyl engines in the 80s when I worked in a Chrysler driveability shop

Re: What MSD doesn't tell you. [Re: GregCon] #747108 07/13/10 04:34 PM 07/13/10 04:34 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,394 Q Quicktree I Win
Quicktree I Win Q Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,394	Quote: As for "MSD is the most successful so that makes them the best" let me list a few others that would fit into that category: Chevrolet (in the 1960's) Microsoft GE Michael Jackson Jesse Jackson Oprah Winfrey AT&T So we see that the skill of learning how to be sucky and make people still buy your product is not to be confused with 'best'. where did you come from? ever think about going back

Re: What MSD doesn't tell you. [Re: Quicktree] #747109 07/13/10 04:43 PM 07/13/10 04:43 PM
Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 2,128 sweden S sshemi top fuel
sshemi top fuel S Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 2,128 sweden	WOW....

Re: What MSD doesn't tell you. [Re: MR_P_BODY] #747110 07/13/10 05:10 PM 07/13/10 05:10 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,160 L.I. N.Y. Hemi Street HemiGreg master
HemiGreg master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,160 L.I. N.Y. Hemi Street	well as a student of auto electronics, take this exp as a learning curve. nothing else. like BG said every Co has its kooky mgrs and workers who only look out for the bouns. anyway the problem at hand is your sine input Vs the needed digital. you dont explain if you need a leading edge and at what level of triggering was required. a simple lookl with an O scope will clear that up. asle a clamping diode will clean up your rising and falling edges of the pulses. ive fixed dozen ignitions and every unit has different "clean" input requirements. im sure since you are top dog student you realized you probably got a magnetized reluctor by some dummy using a steel feeler gauge and therefore providing that sine magnetic pulse. check it with a gauss meter and let us know. you can fire a digital with a 45% slope on input sooo something is not right in whooville today.

Re: What MSD doesn't tell you. [Re: BobR] #747111 07/13/10 05:39 PM 07/13/10 05:39 PM
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CHAPPER master C Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 3,410 Belpre,Ohio	"There once was a hermit named Dave who kept a dead---in his cave," If you like drag racing, support your local track.

Re: What MSD doesn't tell you. [Re: HemiRick] #747112 07/13/10 05:42 PM 07/13/10 05:42 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 20,158 Park Forest, IL slantzilla Too Many Posts
slantzilla Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 20,158 Park Forest, IL	Quote: Quote: ."trigger polarity...". VERY important! I've been told by many that it makes no difference...BUT, I KNOW from past experiences that MSD must have a color blind person putting the leads in the connectors. I 2nd this, I've had the same issue with my MSD 6. The polarity of the wires from the dist must be right for some units to work... If you reverse the wires it will change timing as much as 30 degrees. One direction the wires give a reading off the front of the reluctor and the other way it reads off the back of the reluctor as it goes by. Guess how I know this? "Everybody funny, now you funny too."

Re: What MSD doesn't tell you. [Re: Monte_Smith] #747113 07/13/10 05:44 PM 07/13/10 05:44 PM
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Chris'sBarracuda master C Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 3,667 Arizona	Quote: OK, name an ignition system you think is BETTER than MSD and tell us why....not just because you say so. Monte I think the Crane HI-7 and HI-8 ignitions with the DEC9500 boxes were the best when they came out 10+ years ago, and still work as good if not better than any MSD units. It's really too bad Crane didn't market those any better, they are very dependable. Alot of the Pro Stockers used them until they were mandated to use the MSD 7530T ?? box. I know Warren Johnson used Crane till the very end. Anyway, I still use my Crane with no issues, after getting rid of my MSD which always had issues. I have two spares, so I'm good till I die.. Chris..

Re: What MSD doesn't tell you. [Re: B G Racing] #747114 07/13/10 05:55 PM 07/13/10 05:55 PM
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tubtar master Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 3,082 St. Paul , Mn.	Quote: Quote: I think you are part of a conspiracy put in place by MSD.A sleeper cell do you know any Robert Frost poems hidden in your subliminal mind? Oh man ............ that is the funniest bit of writing I have put eye to in a good bit. Way funnier than I expect from a " serious " forum like this. Bob , I'd love to expound on your comedic brilliance some more , but as you well know , The woods are lovely , dark and deep. But I have promises to keep......and miles to go before I sleep. Miles to go before I sleep. Nope , not a Frost fan per se , but a huge Charlie Bronson fan.

Re: What MSD doesn't tell you. [Re: Chris'sBarracuda] #747115 07/13/10 06:04 PM 07/13/10 06:04 PM
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Re: What MSD doesn't tell you. [Re: HemiGreg] #747116 07/13/10 06:05 PM 07/13/10 06:05 PM
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Re: What MSD doesn't tell you. [Re: HemiGreg] #747117 07/13/10 06:06 PM 07/13/10 06:06 PM
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Re: What MSD doesn't tell you. [Re: Hemiroid] #747118 07/13/10 07:12 PM 07/13/10 07:12 PM
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GregCon super stock G Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 798 Houston TX	"If you haven't seem OE ignitions fail and not provide spark then you might want to back out of this discussion due to a lack of information and real world experience." In the real world, if I was you, I would read what is written before I reply. Nowhere did I say what you posted. I said CONTEMPORARY.

Re: What MSD doesn't tell you. [Re: GregCon] #747119 07/13/10 07:20 PM 07/13/10 07:20 PM
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B G Racing master Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,910 Eighty Four, PA	HemiGreg has humble us all again. [IMG]http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/qq21/ajcasini/max_zpsdppwd9km.jpg[/IMG]

Re: What MSD doesn't tell you. [Re: B G Racing] #747120 07/13/10 09:05 PM 07/13/10 09:05 PM
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roadhazard master Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 3,675 Akron, Ohio U.S.A.	Quote: HemiGreg has humble us all again. To the 5th power trying to learn something new but now I'm all backwards

Re: What MSD doesn't tell you. [Re: B G Racing] #747121 07/13/10 09:09 PM 07/13/10 09:09 PM
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SCDaytona mopar S Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 487 Charleston, SC	Quote: Quote: OK, name an ignition system you think is BETTER than MSD and tell us why....not just because you say so. Monte W&H Daul Coil and Fairbanks Morse if we were back in the 1950s Just kidding Monte,I want to see if I could sound as stupid as some of the brilliant comments.Barry Grant,Indy,MSD and many others get bashed cause of someones fkups.Usually if someone has a ligitimate claim the manufactures bend over backwards to help.Most issues is caused by frustration and attitudes. You've got to be kidding about Barry Grant.

Re: What MSD doesn't tell you. [Re: SCDaytona] #747122 07/14/10 02:17 AM 07/14/10 02:17 AM
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Monte_Smith master M Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,890 North Alabama	Polarity is an easy check. You fire the car and check the timing. Swap the connector wires, fire it and check again............Now, if you have an Analog box, the wiring that gives the lowest timing number is correct. A Digital box, will be wired correctly with the highest number. The difference is usually 4-8 degrees. Also, if you have a "locked" dist, or a crank trigger and the timing "backs up" as you raise rpms, the polarity is likely backwards. Monte

Re: What MSD doesn't tell you. [Re: Monte_Smith] #747123 07/14/10 06:42 AM 07/14/10 06:42 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,879 United Socialist States of Ame... T tboomer Too Many Posts
tboomer Too Many Posts T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,879 United Socialist States of Ame...	MSD 6AL here..It takes a lickin and keeps on tickin...And if it failed...I would get another one!! Need your rear end checked out? Contact Grizzly!!

Re: What MSD doesn't tell you. [Re: tboomer] #747124 07/14/10 07:10 AM 07/14/10 07:10 AM
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sshemi top fuel S Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 2,128 sweden	WOW again.

Re: What MSD doesn't tell you. [Re: sshemi] #747125 07/14/10 03:50 PM 07/14/10 03:50 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,705 Portage,michigan B B3422W5 I Live Here
B3422W5 I Live Here B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,705 Portage,michigan	My take on MSD is this. Over the years i have had a few MSD boxes, and for the most part they have worked fine. I did have a problem with a 6AL a few years back, that i proved was in the box, but hey, stuff breaks, nothing is infallible. What MSD enjoys is a virtual stranglehold on the performance ignition market.Its a niche market that they OWN. Pretty much any magazine you look at, the various prices you see they're stuff listed for are identical, same pretty much with Jegs, summit and everybody else, with very rare exceptions. As they have hardly any competition, and its unlikely anybody is going to step up and spend the R&D and initial investent and marketing money to challenge them, its very likely the generally poor customer service they provide will ever get any better. Why would it, no other company makes a similar product that would force MSD to keep they're feet to the fire from a " treating customers great" standpoint. Its kinda like the car business 25 years ago, only the domestics were out there, and say what you will, quality was many times lacking. With the Japanese and everybody else now offering cars here, it has " forced" the product across the board to be better. Its just a plain old fact that that is how it is. MSD has nobody, competition wise, to force them to do the above. Its actually somewhat of a feather in they're cap that the products are as reliable as they are with this being the case. Long story short, they aint perfect, and they are a little crusty to talk to, but they own the only game in town Kinda like Indy in some ways 69 Dart GTS A4 Silver All steel, flat factory hood, 3360race weight 418 BPE factory replacement headed stroker, 565 lift solid cam Best so far, 10.40 @127 1/4 1.41 best 60 foot 6.60 at 103.90 1/8

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