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new 383 Not Oiling!!!! UPDATE!!!!! #740765 07/05/10 01:46 PM 07/05/10 01:46 PM
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,222 okla. O okie OP pro stock
okie OP pro stock O Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,222 okla.	My new rebuilt 383 is not oiling on the top of the head on the passenger side. The rod was on it right. What could be causing this? The other side is oiling and the gauge shows about 50# when idling. I ran a wire down the oil holes and the back one went in a lot farther than the front one. What could be stopping the oil flow? It has new MP head gaskets on it. I need some help on this fast. Thanks for any suggestions. Ronnie Last edited by okie; 07/07/10 06:14 PM.

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: okie] #740766 07/05/10 01:58 PM 07/05/10 01:58 PM
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bobby66 master B Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 3,804 Arlington, Texas	Maybe the #4 cam bearing isn't lined up with the oil holes. Seen it before....

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: bobby66] #740767 07/05/10 04:03 PM 07/05/10 04:03 PM
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Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: okie] #740768 07/05/10 04:06 PM 07/05/10 04:06 PM
Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 11,543 chicagoland,usa B buildanother I Live Here
buildanother I Live Here B Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 11,543 chicagoland,usa	Are you certain that the pass head is not getting oil? It does not get oil when drivers head gets it. They alternate oil feed with cam position.

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: okie] #740769 07/05/10 04:09 PM 07/05/10 04:09 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 74,937 U.S.S.A. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 74,937 U.S.S.A.	Only the 2nd in from the rear rocker stands get oil , the front ones are blocked at the deck , the holes are like this so the heads can fit on either side of the block . If you are only getting oil to one head and not the other there is a blockage and as stated the #4 cam bearing could be installed incorrectly .

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: buildanother] #740770 07/05/10 04:10 PM 07/05/10 04:10 PM
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okie OP pro stock O Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,222 okla.	It is just the head on the passenger side that isn't getting oil, I don't even know where to start on it. Makes you just want to give up on it. I've almost got the car done and now this. Ronnie

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: okie] #740771 07/05/10 04:11 PM 07/05/10 04:11 PM
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okie OP pro stock O Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,222 okla.	Does the #4 cam bearing oil just 1 head are does it oil both of them? Ronnie

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: okie] #740772 07/05/10 04:13 PM 07/05/10 04:13 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 74,937 U.S.S.A. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 74,937 U.S.S.A.	It oils them both , but not at the same time , it oil one then the other, the other thing that might be wrong is the cam is not drilled properly.

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: JohnRR] #740773 07/05/10 04:16 PM 07/05/10 04:16 PM
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okie OP pro stock O Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,222 okla.	How would the cam be drilled wrong, what would I look for? I think I'll spin the motor over some tomorrow and see what happens since I have the rockers off. That won't hurt it will it? Ronnie

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: okie] #740774 07/05/10 04:20 PM 07/05/10 04:20 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 74,937 U.S.S.A. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 74,937 U.S.S.A.	The cam maker could have not drilled all the intersecting holes in the cam for the oil to pass thru . Yes rotating it by hand will get you oil and no you won't hurt anything ... (running it to find the problem will potentially damage something though) , be prepared for a STREAM of oil when the passage is open to oil pressure .

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: okie] #740775 07/05/10 04:21 PM 07/05/10 04:21 PM
Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 11,543 chicagoland,usa B buildanother I Live Here
buildanother I Live Here B Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 11,543 chicagoland,usa	The cam is drilled right if one gets oil at all.

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: buildanother] #740776 07/05/10 04:25 PM 07/05/10 04:25 PM
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MoparforLife Too Many Posts M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,200 Upper Midwest	You have to turn the engine over to get oil to the other side. Only one side oils at a time depending on camshaft position. As you are priming the engine turn it over and you will have oil.

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: MoparforLife] #740777 07/05/10 05:04 PM 07/05/10 05:04 PM
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okie OP pro stock O Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,222 okla.	The passenger side is dry of oil, I'll just have to see what happens tommorow. The engine has been ran some. Ronnie

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: okie] #740778 07/05/10 05:23 PM 07/05/10 05:23 PM
Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 11,543 chicagoland,usa B buildanother I Live Here
buildanother I Live Here B Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 11,543 chicagoland,usa	If there is NO oil getting to that side after running it, and other side gets plenty of oil, I believe the 4th cam bearing was installed incorrectly. I would probably resort to some trickery that would involve a long 1/8" drill bit and strategic lineup of cam before a little drilling is done. This is provided that the path to cam is a straight shot after removal of rocker shaft, which I think it is. The trick is to line cam up first, then drill hole in bearing, then immediately prime oil system and catch the filings coming out the top, with rags etc, before re-install of shaft. That's just my thoughts on correcting somebody's mistake. It could have a ball of casting crud stuck in there too. SCRATCH that. Just checked a 906 head, not straight shot, angle at top of head rocker pedestal, straight long bit won't do it. Last edited by buildanother; 07/05/10 05:53 PM.

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: buildanother] #740779 07/05/10 06:46 PM 07/05/10 06:46 PM
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okie OP pro stock O Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,222 okla.	I don't know what I'm going to do now, I have the car almost finished and now this. All I liked was the seat covers. I ran a wire down the hole today but I didn't try to pump any oil so maybe I'll luck out and got it unplugged. If it didn't there might be a 70 RR up for sale. Ronnie

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: okie] #740780 07/05/10 07:04 PM 07/05/10 07:04 PM
Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 11,543 chicagoland,usa B buildanother I Live Here
buildanother I Live Here B Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 11,543 chicagoland,usa	You may consider going with through hole pushrods and lifters if there is no other way to get oil through the head.

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: buildanother] #740781 07/05/10 07:43 PM 07/05/10 07:43 PM
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okie OP pro stock O Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,222 okla.	Where would I get them? And what would I ask for? Thanks Ronnie

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: okie] #740782 07/05/10 08:26 PM 07/05/10 08:26 PM
Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 11,543 chicagoland,usa B buildanother I Live Here
buildanother I Live Here B Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 11,543 chicagoland,usa	Probably big companies like Comp cams could set you up. Others, sealed power etc too I would hope. (Currently have a 71 440 in garage with a comp cam and lifters with oiling through pushrod seat lifters in it)

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: buildanother] #740783 07/05/10 10:46 PM 07/05/10 10:46 PM
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 797 arizona, usa L lokalik super stock
lokalik super stock L Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 797 arizona, usa	ronnie don't give up on it. you will find that when you get one thing fixed it's only a matter of time before something else pops up. these old cars are like that and the seat covers can be a pain in theazz, if you use the wrong rings(hog, pig or shoats) you will be cutting alot of them off. you may be having to pull the motor or go thru the frontend to change out the cam bearings, but git er done and drive it.

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: lokalik] #740784 07/05/10 11:04 PM 07/05/10 11:04 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,040 Lincoln Nebraska R RapidRobert Circle Track
RapidRobert Circle Track R Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,040 Lincoln Nebraska	I'd start over and take off the pass rocker assy, set a clean rag over the pedestals and take out the inter shaft and drill prime it (CCW) while a helper SLOWLY turns the crank CW w a 1&1/4" socket and a breaker bar as you man the drill and watch for the rag to get (hopefully) soaked. You need the rag or you will have oil in your face and on the car which will spoil your joy at discovering that it is indeed (hopefully) oiling. IF NOT take off the pass head and drill horizontally into the rear of the head then countersink a slight bit down in the threads in the rear pedestal so you can drill down at an angle to meet the horizontle passage. Tap into the NPT plug in the oil passage in the top rear of the block next to the oil sender to feed oil into the rear of the head. That way you dont have to disturb the shortblock and when you take the head off you can check the head gasket for no obstruction and run a rod in there to check for a restriction if it is a straight shot. good luck & holler back w the outcome live every 24 hour block of time like it's your last day on earth

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: RapidRobert] #740785 07/06/10 05:56 AM 07/06/10 05:56 AM
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okie OP pro stock O Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,222 okla.	I'm going to mess with it some this morning and see what I can do with it. I just hate to have to tear the motor down again. Ronnie

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: okie] #740786 07/06/10 08:16 AM 07/06/10 08:16 AM
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StandOnIt super stock Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,086 Baton Rouge, La.	Ronnie, I think all of us have had to pull a new motor back out of something to search for a problem of some kind. You are not the only one by far. It just happens as stated before. Don't be afraid to yank it out. It will only set you back a day or two. No big deal. The car will give WAY more enjoyment when its done than pain building it. You will be able to laugh at all this in a few months. 76' Volare, 5.9 magnum w/Iron heads. New best 10.68 at 123 mph 1/4 mile.

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: StandOnIt] #740787 07/06/10 02:14 PM 07/06/10 02:14 PM
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okie OP pro stock O Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,222 okla.	I checked it this morning and it's not oiling on either side. I ran a drill and it did not pump up. A well known Mopar mechanic local to me said to pull the oil pump and prime it with Lucas and it would fix my problem. He said the pump would have a hard time picking up the oil by it's self. What does everyone think about this? Ronnie

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: okie] #740788 07/06/10 02:47 PM 07/06/10 02:47 PM
Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 11,543 chicagoland,usa B buildanother I Live Here
buildanother I Live Here B Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 11,543 chicagoland,usa	I don't think you are getting the fact that the heads only get oil at 2 certain positions of the camshaft. That's why you have to either turn engine slowly WHILE priming pump, OR find the 2 exact positions the cam must be in to let oil go through it, to get to each cyl head. If you have 50 psi of pressure at test port, the pump is pumping fine.

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: okie] #740789 07/06/10 03:00 PM 07/06/10 03:00 PM
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feets Senior Management Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 28,067 Irving, TX	Is the drill working hard to turn the pump? When the pump isn't primed, the drill will spin fairly quickly. As pressure start to build the drill slows down. In fact, it can yank itself out of your hand if you're not careful. If the drill loads up like the pump is working, pull the oil sending unit at the back of the block. Spin the pump again and it should spray oil like Old Faithful. We are brothers and sisters doing time on the planet for better or worse. I'll take the better, if you don't mind. - Stu Harmon

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: feets] #740790 07/06/10 03:21 PM 07/06/10 03:21 PM
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RoadRunner master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,137 East Aurora (Buffalo) NY	Quote: Is the drill working hard to turn the pump? When the pump isn't primed, the drill will spin fairly quickly. As pressure start to build the drill slows down. In fact, it can yank itself out of your hand if you're not careful. If the drill loads up like the pump is working, pull the oil sending unit at the back of the block. Spin the pump again and it should spray oil like Old Faithful. The drill will be loaded. I used a 1/2" drive on my motor and it just about ripped out of my hands. Also make sure you are spinning the drill in the right direction. CCW if I recall. And, per above, once you are pumping oil, have a helper slowly turn over the engine. The lube in the pump is a good trick for the first time. But once the pump has primed, you should be OK. 68 Road Runner (383/4speed, post car w/decor pkg) - Major Project 69 Road Runner w/472 Hemi & 4 speed. 70 Challenger R/T SE EF8 w/ V9J, U - A32 - Major Project 2023 Ford Mach 1

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: RoadRunner] #740791 07/06/10 04:23 PM 07/06/10 04:23 PM
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okie OP pro stock O Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,222 okla.	I understand about the positioning of the cam, but it didn't load the drill at all. It was just a 3/8 drill and it didn't pull it down any so I don't think the pump is primed. I'm going to try priming the pump and see what happens. Ronnie

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: RoadRunner] #740792 07/06/10 04:45 PM 07/06/10 04:45 PM
Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 493 Arizona A az426john mopar
az426john mopar A Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 493 Arizona	I had the same issue on my Hemi car that was just rebuilt and after driving myself nuts I finally followed the advise of a friend who had exactly the same problem with his Hemi. Make sure everything is good on the top end, lube the crap out of the top end with cam lube put on the rocker covers and fire it up. The top end is the last thing to get oil and on some race cars the oil passages to the heads are blocked off or restricted. If you have a hydraulic cam and you don't have oil you will know within about 30 seconds. The #4 cam bearing and the holes in the block are lined up at about 120 degrees intervals if you have 2 lined up it is really difficult to have the 3rd one blind. I finally bit the bullet and fired the car up and there was oil on the drivers side almost immediately. Anyhow that is my story. Best of luck

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: az426john] #740793 07/06/10 05:41 PM 07/06/10 05:41 PM
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okie OP pro stock O Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,222 okla.	I know you can't go by the gauges, they are 40 years old and work very sporatic if at all. I guess if your going to mess with these old cars you really don't need to let it get to you so bad. But I'm always learning different stuff on them by trial and error and all the help I get on here. Maybe I'll get it straightened out. THANKS Ronnie

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: okie] #740794 07/06/10 07:19 PM 07/06/10 07:19 PM
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feets Senior Management Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 28,067 Irving, TX	I didn't even think about spinning the pump the wrong way. Make sure you aren't doing that. It does spin counter clockwise. We are brothers and sisters doing time on the planet for better or worse. I'll take the better, if you don't mind. - Stu Harmon

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: az426john] #740795 07/06/10 07:47 PM 07/06/10 07:47 PM
Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 456 Santa Barbara, CA HitIt mopar
HitIt mopar Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 456 Santa Barbara, CA	I vote against 426John's advice of firing it up before you diagnose what the problem really is. If there is a plugged oil passage or that #4 cam bearing isn't right, you're going to cause your poopy situation to get worse and way more expensive to fix. It worked out for that guy but that is pretty damn lucky in my opinion. I hate to beat a dead horse, but have you tried priming while someone turns the engine over? Everyone is suggesting it but I can't tell if you've actually tried it yet. Is the oil pump new? You seem to say it doesn't load the drill while priming it. Did the gasket line up right and not block any passages in the oil pump? I guess I'm confused on that one becuase you say it's priming the one side of the engine ok. very clever dinner. appetizing food fit neatly into interesting round pie.

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: HitIt] #740796 07/06/10 08:00 PM 07/06/10 08:00 PM
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okie OP pro stock O Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,222 okla.	Yes, I have turned the motor over as spinning the pump and still nothing. I'm going to prime the pump since I've done about everything else. The oil gauge did move once but I think it was just a fluke because it isn't working and I had moved some wires.So maybe one of these days I can get it figured out. Ronnie

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: okie] #740797 07/06/10 08:07 PM 07/06/10 08:07 PM
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MoparforLife Too Many Posts M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,200 Upper Midwest	Are you spinning the pump with the drill in reverse rotation. You have to turn the pump counterclockwise.

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: MoparforLife] #740798 07/06/10 08:10 PM 07/06/10 08:10 PM
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okie OP pro stock O Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,222 okla.	Running the drill counter clockwise all the time. Ronnie

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: okie] #740799 07/06/10 09:58 PM 07/06/10 09:58 PM
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HemiSportFury mopar Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 528 SW CO	The last BB I rebuilt I had to losen the oil filter to get the pump to prime. Workd fine once it took a prime. Easy enough to try, although it might make a little mess. '64 Sport Fury, 528 Hemi, FiTech EFI, 4-speed, 4.10 Dana 60 '57 Belvedere 2dr sedan, current project in process '19 Cherokee Trail Hawk Elite '03 Ram 2500 CTD HO, 6-speed 214,000 miles and still going strong

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: okie] #740800 07/07/10 08:26 AM 07/07/10 08:26 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 74,937 U.S.S.A. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 74,937 U.S.S.A.	Quote: Yes, I have turned the motor over as spinning the pump and still nothing. I'm going to prime the pump since I've done about everything else. The oil gauge did move once but I think it was just a fluke because it isn't working and I had moved some wires.So maybe one of these days I can get it figured out. Ronnie Did you put a mechanical gauge on it ?

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: HitIt] #740801 07/07/10 02:32 PM 07/07/10 02:32 PM
Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 493 Arizona A az426john mopar
az426john mopar A Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 493 Arizona	To each his own. After you have checked and double checked everything to assure it is installed correctly (rocker arm shafts etc.) and run a wire or brazing rod down the oil feed holes on both banks and they are both exactly the same length, primed the motor and you have oil on one bank then you are pretty much faced with 2 choices... 1. Disassemble the engine. or 2. Fire it up. If you have any confidence in your work that also plays a role in it. I convinced my engine builder to put a length of brazing rod down through each oil hole after the bearings are installed and take a digital photo as proof that the #4 cam bearing is correctly installed prior to installing the cam. It has worked so far. My buddy completely pulled his Hemi down after the rebuild, cleaned and checked everything, primed it (again) and it still never got oil to the drivers side rocker arm assembly until he fired it up. This is exactly what happend to me also. If you lube the crap out of it you will not hurt it if you only run it for 30 seconds or so. If the valve train does not make noise and the lifters are all pumped up then you can pretty much rest assured that it is getting oil. I had primed and turned over the motor so much that the lifters were already pumped up. Best of luck!!!

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: az426john] #740802 07/07/10 02:54 PM 07/07/10 02:54 PM
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okie OP pro stock O Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,222 okla.	FINALLY!!!!! I loosened the oil filter and spun the pump and it went to pumping, I guess it wasn't picking up the oil because of air in it. I didn't get it started because I have got to put it all back together but I think it is fixed now. i want to THANK everybody for all the help and advice with out it I would still be bumfussled. Maybe I can get it back together tomorrow if every thing goes right. Thanks Again Ronnie

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: okie] #740803 07/07/10 04:02 PM 07/07/10 04:02 PM
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HogRidinFool mopar Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 639 Detroit	What a great read...Hope it turns out ok for you...Great peeps on this site!

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: HogRidinFool] #740804 07/07/10 06:15 PM 07/07/10 06:15 PM
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okie OP pro stock O Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,222 okla.	THANKS!!!!!! Ronnie

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: okie] #740805 07/07/10 08:07 PM 07/07/10 08:07 PM
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,404 Michigan MarkZ Worthy
MarkZ Worthy Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,404 Michigan	Quote: FINALLY!!!!! I loosened the oil filter and spun the pump and it went to pumping, I guess it wasn't picking up the oil because of air in it. I didn't get it started because I have got to put it all back together but I think it is fixed now. i want to THANK everybody for all the help and advice with out it I would still be bumfussled. Maybe I can get it back together tomorrow if every thing goes right. Thanks Again Ronnie Was the oil filter empty, or did you pre-fill it? 1987 Fifth Avenue - 512/518/D60

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: MarkZ] #740806 07/07/10 09:03 PM 07/07/10 09:03 PM
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ph23vo I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 14,470 renton, Washington	yep you didnt fill the filter did you.... dan

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: ph23vo] #740807 07/07/10 09:06 PM 07/07/10 09:06 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,200 Upper Midwest M MoparforLife Too Many Posts
MoparforLife Too Many Posts M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,200 Upper Midwest	Seen air locked filters on big blocks many times. Clean it, if it's Dirty. Oil it, if it Squeaks. But: Don't fix it, if it Works!

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: MoparforLife] #740808 07/12/10 03:57 PM 07/12/10 03:57 PM
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okie OP pro stock O Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,222 okla.	Ok, I got the pump primed and it is still only oiling on the 1 side. I want to put the hollow push rods in it instead of tearing it down. I have the MP 484 cam and lifters in it, will these lifters work with the hollow push rods are will I have to change them too? Thanks Ronnie

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: okie] #740809 07/12/10 04:08 PM 07/12/10 04:08 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,040 Lincoln Nebraska R RapidRobert Circle Track
RapidRobert Circle Track R Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,040 Lincoln Nebraska	Most lifters have the hollow cup though some lifters use hollow cups for standardization of parts but do not actually oil thru (dissassemble one to find out) but the prob is that splash from the end of the p rod will not reach the shaft/rocker contact area and MAY not put enough on the stem as mag pedestal rockers for instance are different and have a hole in the top w a nub to direct spray. live every 24 hour block of time like it's your last day on earth

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: okie] #740810 07/12/10 04:54 PM 07/12/10 04:54 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,200 Upper Midwest M MoparforLife Too Many Posts
MoparforLife Too Many Posts M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,200 Upper Midwest	Quote: Ok, I got the pump primed and it is still only oiling on the 1 side. I want to put the hollow push rods in it instead of tearing it down. I have the MP 484 cam and lifters in it, will these lifters work with the hollow push rods are will I have to change them too? Thanks Ronnie Did you turn the engine over while priming or is thins with the engine running?? Remember that the engine only oils one side at a time depending on the cam position.

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: MoparforLife] #740811 07/12/10 04:59 PM 07/12/10 04:59 PM
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okie OP pro stock O Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,222 okla.	I had it running, I oiled everything down before I started it. I put Lucas on all the rockers. Ronnie

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: okie] #740812 07/12/10 07:58 PM 07/12/10 07:58 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,200 Upper Midwest M MoparforLife Too Many Posts
MoparforLife Too Many Posts M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,200 Upper Midwest	IMO - Get to the bottom of the problem - don't try bandaiding it. It may just lead to have a bigger problem down the road.

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: okie] #740813 07/13/10 12:38 AM 07/13/10 12:38 AM
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dodge41969 member D Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 38 california u.s.	sounds like the rocker arm shafts are upside down,the oil holes should be down and facing towards the exhaust manifolds/headers.

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: dodge41969] #740814 07/13/10 06:51 AM 07/13/10 06:51 AM
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okie OP pro stock O Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,222 okla.	The shafts are on it correct so that isn't it. Ronnie

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: okie] #740815 07/13/10 08:34 AM 07/13/10 08:34 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 74,937 U.S.S.A. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 74,937 U.S.S.A.	Quote: Ok, I got the pump primed and it is still only oiling on the 1 side. I want to put the hollow push rods in it instead of tearing it down. I have the MP 484 cam and lifters in it, will these lifters work with the hollow push rods are will I have to change them too? Thanks Ronnie You can not HALFASS it by putting on hollow pushrods , how is the oil going to get UNDER the rockers? You are going to have to tear into it to find the problem, obviously you don't want to but there is no way around it, if you ran it and it didn't oil that side something is blocking the passage. My heads hurts so I'm not going to go back and reread this , did you put a wire down the oil passage on that side ? If so how far did it go ? Sometimes that passage can be blocked with old hard oil if that head was originally on the opposite side of the engine and it didn't get cleaned out . ? Just a thought .

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: okie] #740816 07/13/10 08:52 AM 07/13/10 08:52 AM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 9,336 South-Central (Sebring), FL Commando1 master
Commando1 master Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 9,336 South-Central (Sebring), FL	Quote: The shafts are on it correct so that isn't it. Ronnie Pull that shaft and post a picture.

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: Commando1] #740817 07/13/10 08:58 AM 07/13/10 08:58 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 74,937 U.S.S.A. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 74,937 U.S.S.A.	Quote: Quote: The shafts are on it correct so that isn't it. Ronnie Pull that shaft and post a picture. Why ? If it was on upside down he would see the holes with the valve cover off ... I'm ASSuMEing he is NOT blind ... ..., ASSuMEing he has stamped steel rockers and even if it were on backwards , the hole towards the intake instead of the exhaust, he would still get oil out, it just doesn't direct the oil under pressure to the area that gets the most contact, the groove in a stamped rocker goes front to back so it still gets full oil flow.

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: JohnRR] #740818 07/13/10 05:40 PM 07/13/10 05:40 PM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 9,336 South-Central (Sebring), FL Commando1 master
Commando1 master Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 9,336 South-Central (Sebring), FL	Quote: Quote: Quote: The shafts are on it correct so that isn't it. Ronnie Pull that shaft and post a picture. Why ? Because, dummy, before I go on any further with my valuable expertise being given out for nothing, therefor proving you get what you pay for.......... I wanna see with my own eyes. Eyes don't lie.

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: Commando1] #740819 07/13/10 07:31 PM 07/13/10 07:31 PM
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okie OP pro stock O Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,222 okla.	I don't have any way to post a picture. But I can assure you that is on right, I have had it off several times. I ran a wire down it and it is clean and run the wire down the oil hole. So it is either tear the motor down are swap out the push rods and lifters. Ronnie

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: okie] #740820 07/13/10 08:42 PM 07/13/10 08:42 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 74,937 U.S.S.A. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 74,937 U.S.S.A.	Quote: I don't have any way to post a picture. But I can assure you that is on right, I have had it off several times. I ran a wire down it and it is clean and run the wire down the oil hole. So it is either tear the motor down are swap out the push rods and lifters. Ronnie What kind of rockers are you using ?

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: JohnRR] #740821 07/14/10 06:25 AM 07/14/10 06:25 AM
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okie OP pro stock O Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,222 okla.	The rockers are the stock ones, everything is stock on the heads. Ronnie

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: okie] #740822 07/14/10 06:57 AM 07/14/10 06:57 AM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,029 Southeast Virginia 68jim super stock
68jim super stock Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,029 Southeast Virginia	It has been a while since I installed cam bearings. It is possible to have #4 (I think) cam bearing installed improperly or can the bearing shift enough to allow oil to only one head? If you can run a wire down the oiling hole then do both sides and try to get an exact measurement to see if one side hits the back of the bearing vice the cam. I would think that if you had a difference that it might be something to look at. Something to try???

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: 68jim] #740823 07/14/10 07:21 AM 07/14/10 07:21 AM
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okie OP pro stock O Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,222 okla.	I'm sure he got the bearing in it wrong so now I'm going to have to decide what to do about it. I really don't want to tear the motor back down that is why I was thinking about changing the push rods and lifters, I have been told that would work by some and that it wouldn't work by others. I have just got to decide what to do. Ronnie

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: okie] #740824 07/14/10 07:42 AM 07/14/10 07:42 AM
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540challenger master 5 Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,826 NY usa	Quote: I'm sure he got the bearing in it wrong so now I'm going to have to decide what to do about it. I really don't want to tear the motor back down that is why I was thinking about changing the push rods and lifters, I have been told that would work by some and that it wouldn't work by others. I have just got to decide what to do. Ronnie You would also need to change the rockers they would need a hole for the oil go through stock rockers don't have this. Also must lifters now days are capable of pushrod oiling just look for the oil hole where the pushrod sits.

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: 540challenger] #740825 07/14/10 07:53 AM 07/14/10 07:53 AM
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Tom Fox member T Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 146 florida/ Georgia	you might as well face the fact, you are going to have to pull the engine and replace the cam bearing. Tom

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: Tom Fox] #740826 07/14/10 08:17 AM 07/14/10 08:17 AM
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okie OP pro stock O Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,222 okla.	All the rockers have holes in them so maybe they would work. Ronnie

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: okie] #740827 07/14/10 08:19 AM 07/14/10 08:19 AM
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Challenger 1 Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio	By the time you waste all this time on the internet, you could have had the motor out of the car and apart.

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: okie] #740828 07/14/10 08:20 AM 07/14/10 08:20 AM
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okie OP pro stock O Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,222 okla.	I could pull the cam and the 1 head and drill out the bearing for that side and that is what I'm thinking about doing. That way I won't have to pull the motor which is what I don't want to do. Ronnie

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: okie] #740829 07/14/10 08:31 AM 07/14/10 08:31 AM
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MoparforLife Too Many Posts M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,200 Upper Midwest	Remember to clean all the fillings out if you drill it. It could be fun with the engine still in the car. If you have your ducks in a row you can have that engine out in an hour +/-.

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: okie] #740830 07/14/10 08:34 AM 07/14/10 08:34 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 74,937 U.S.S.A. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 74,937 U.S.S.A.	Quote: All the rockers have holes in them so maybe they would work. Ronnie Yes they have holes but what will happen is the oil would spray up on the valve cover and drip down on TOP of the shaft and the rocker, there is a reason the oil hole is UNDER the rocker , that's where the oil needs to be , not dripping on top of the shaft . It's your decision, your motor and your money.

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: JohnRR] #740831 07/14/10 01:04 PM 07/14/10 01:04 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,200 Upper Midwest M MoparforLife Too Many Posts
MoparforLife Too Many Posts M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,200 Upper Midwest	Do it right (correctly) now or pay later.

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: okie] #740832 07/14/10 01:44 PM 07/14/10 01:44 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,077 Oklahoma City Jwilli500 top fuel
Jwilli500 top fuel Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,077 Oklahoma City	If your willing to pull the cam, why don't you just replace the incorrectly installed cam bearing? (And not remove the head too) Quote: I could pull the cam and the 1 head and drill out the bearing for that side and that is what I'm thinking about doing. That way I won't have to pull the motor which is what I don't want to do. Ronnie Last edited by Jwilli500; 07/14/10 01:49 PM.

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: JohnRR] #740833 07/14/10 02:24 PM 07/14/10 02:24 PM
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cptn60 super stock Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,095 Bloomington, Illernoise	Quote: Quote: All the rockers have holes in them so maybe they would work. Ronnie Yes they have holes but what will happen is the oil would spray up on the valve cover and drip down on TOP of the shaft and the rocker, there is a reason the oil hole is UNDER the rocker , that's where the oil needs to be , not dripping on top of the shaft . It's your decision, your motor and your money. + This space available for rent

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: Jwilli500] #740834 07/14/10 02:52 PM 07/14/10 02:52 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,200 Upper Midwest M MoparforLife Too Many Posts
MoparforLife Too Many Posts M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,200 Upper Midwest	Quote: I could pull the cam and the 1 head and drill out the bearing for that side and that is what I'm thinking about doing. That way I won't have to pull the motor which is what I don't want to do. Ronnie If your willing to pull the cam, why don't you just replace the incorrectly installed cam bearing? (And not remove the head too) Quote: That might make sense.

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: okie] #740835 07/14/10 03:10 PM 07/14/10 03:10 PM
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feets Senior Management Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 28,067 Irving, TX	Where in OK are you? We are brothers and sisters doing time on the planet for better or worse. I'll take the better, if you don't mind. - Stu Harmon

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: Jwilli500] #740836 07/14/10 03:23 PM 07/14/10 03:23 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 74,937 U.S.S.A. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 74,937 U.S.S.A.	Quote: If your willing to pull the cam, why don't you just replace the incorrectly installed cam bearing? (And not remove the head too) Have you ever tried to replace a bearing from the top? It's going to be pretty hard to do it that way, doable but there is the risk of dropping the old bearing and/or the new one .

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: JohnRR] #740837 07/14/10 04:47 PM 07/14/10 04:47 PM
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602heavy pro stock 6 Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,200 UK	Turn motor over till #7 ex lifter is over the nose , this will line up cam & oil feed to drivers head , the same applies for #8 ex lobe oiling pas side head , this will let you know if oil holes in #4 cam bearing line up with oil feed in block , good luck.

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: 602heavy] #740838 07/14/10 05:39 PM 07/14/10 05:39 PM
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okie OP pro stock O Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,222 okla.	OK I don't know what I'm going to do yet. I'm just getting over kidney surgery (cancer) and I really don't feel like tearing it down but I may have to. If I do tear it down I'm going to pull the head and drill it out instead of trying to replace the bearing. I just wanted to get the car done it has been a long time getting to this point. Thanks Everyone for the advice and help. Ronnie Feets I'm just across the river north of Dallas on 69 just past Choctaw Casino.. Thanks Ronnie

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: okie] #740839 07/14/10 07:22 PM 07/14/10 07:22 PM
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Performance Only top fuel P Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,091 Delray beach, Florida	Quote: OK I don't know what I'm going to do yet. I'm just getting over kidney surgery (cancer) and I really don't feel like tearing it down but I may have to. If I do tear it down I'm going to pull the head and drill it out instead of trying to replace the bearing. I just wanted to get the car done it has been a long time getting to this point. Thanks Everyone for the advice and help. Ronnie Feets I'm just across the river north of Dallas on 69 just past Choctaw Casino.. Thanks Ronnie what are you planning to do about all the metal filing that will inevitably get on the oil pump and destroy it. not to mention what will get thrown up on the cylinder walls to get trapped between the piston and wall. honestly, the best fix isn't going to be the easiest fix, but it's still the best one.. machine shop owner and engine builder

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: Performance Only] #740840 07/14/10 07:25 PM 07/14/10 07:25 PM
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MoparforLife Too Many Posts M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,200 Upper Midwest	what are you planning to do about all the metal filing that will inevitably get on the oil pump and destroy it. not to mention what will get thrown up on the cylinder walls to get trapped between the piston and wall. honestly, the best fix isn't going to be the easiest fix, but it's still the best one.. Thanks for backing up my statement from above a few posts.

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: 602heavy] #740841 07/14/10 09:11 PM 07/14/10 09:11 PM
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RapidRobert Circle Track R Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,040 Lincoln Nebraska	Quote: Turn motor over till #7 ex lifter is over the nose , this will line up cam & oil feed to drivers head , the same applies for #8 ex lobe oiling pas side head , this will let you know if oil holes in #4 cam bearing line up with oil feed in block I'm gonna copy this for sure live every 24 hour block of time like it's your last day on earth

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: RapidRobert] #740842 07/14/10 09:23 PM 07/14/10 09:23 PM
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buildanother I Live Here B Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 11,543 chicagoland,usa	Think I've seen different patterns drilled on some mfgs.

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: buildanother] #740843 07/14/10 09:49 PM 07/14/10 09:49 PM
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602heavy pro stock 6 Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,200 UK	Quote: Think I've seen different patterns drilled on some mfgs. This applies to all B/RB motors , obviously will deviate a few degrees depending on lobe sep , all the same it gets you pretty close , can sometimes be a pain trying to turn the motor over with a drill in the other hand.

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: okie] #740844 07/15/10 11:31 AM 07/15/10 11:31 AM
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feets Senior Management Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 28,067 Irving, TX	Okie, I'd drop in and give you a hand on this but this weekend is kinda busy. I'm sure we'd be able to get oil to the other side without excessive hassle. We are brothers and sisters doing time on the planet for better or worse. I'll take the better, if you don't mind. - Stu Harmon

Re: new 383 Not Oiling!!!! [Re: Commando1] #740845 07/15/10 11:44 AM 07/15/10 11:44 AM
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jpilone master Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,064 Boca Raton, Florida	Quote: Because, dummy, before I go on any further with my valuable expertise being given out for nothing, therefor proving you get what you pay for.......... I wanna see with my own eyes. Eyes don't lie. LOL!! -Jarrod Pilone '70 Plymouth RR Convertible with amazing custom paint(Tribute/Recreation/Whateveryouwannacallit) My Project Thread

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