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Re: Are Champion RJ12YC's junk ? [Re: BobR] #71847
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I also like NGK or Autolite racing with the strap cut back.




I've never tried that. How far back do you cut them? What do you use to cut them? Anybody have a photo of a cutback plug?

Matt


Some see the glass as half empty, some see the glass as half full. I just drink straight out of the bottle.
Re: Are Champion RJ12YC's junk ? [Re: MadMatt] #71848
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I run AR3910 Autolites, they come with the cut back electrode. They seem to run fine,. You have to be careful gapping them to keep the feeler gauge perpedicular to the center electrode.

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Re: Are Champion RJ12YC's junk ? [Re: FurryStump] #71849
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Yes, they are junk! They seem to foul the easiest from gas & oil,that's what I've seen for the last 30 years

Mitch

Re: Are Champion RJ12YC's junk ? [Re: mopowergtx] #71850
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i wonder which has more ZDDP (zinc) content.. champions or autolites?




And everybody knows Budweiser in the bottle is the best beer out there.




the best beer in the world only when its brewed in canada eh...

for the REST of you as far as champions suck(ing), if your engine isn't up to par tune wise,
yah.. champions are not very forgiving.

Re: Are Champion RJ12YC's junk ? #71851
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i wonder which has more ZDDP (zinc) content.. champions or autolites?




And everybody knows Budweiser in the bottle is the best beer out there.




the best beer in the world only when its brewed in canada eh...

for the REST of you as far as champions suck(ing), if your engine isn't up to par tune wise,
yah.. champions are not very forgiving.




Ok well if we include our Canadian friends in this, "real" Lablat's Blue is mighty tasty too.

Re: Are Champion RJ12YC's junk ? #71852
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This reply is freakin hilarious:

champion has not made j11y's, superseeded by RJ12YC

all have resistors now.






um.. wrong. you can still get non-resistor champions all-day-long.















where?





earth




no wonder autozone doesnt have them.

Re: Are Champion RJ12YC's junk ? [Re: JohnRR] #71853
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Yep Champions are junk, thats why they were the OE plug when these cars were new. I think your problem is running a resistor plug in that motor in the first place. Find a non-resistor plug in the heat range you want and try that. I run old NOS J11Y Champions and have never had a problem. But you pick any manufacture you want and find out for yourself which one you like because anytime somebody asks about spark plugs on here you get a different answer. Its about like asking which beer is the best.




the champions that were installed in the 60's/70's are a much better plug than the new champions , never had good luck running that rj12 in anything either .




My GTX with a fresh 440, about 9.5:1 compression, stock everything except the Mopar 272 cam fouled the RJ12YCs like crazy. With the timing set at 6 degrees or so initial I think it would have been fine, but as soon as I advanced it to about 12 or 13 you could visually see the dark smoke start to pour out of the exhaust pipes. I think theyre probably good if you tune your car to stock specs/

The Champions I put in my 273 to replaced the fouled Autolites in it fouled up within two days. I changed the points, condensor, rotor, cap, adjusted the timing to a tad more intial than stock. Pulled the plugs two days later to change them (I had been driving the car) and they looked like I just pulled them fresh out of the box. Tune them to stock specs in a stockish engine and the Champions are probably perfect. Thats why the factory liked them.

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Now I need to pin those needles, got to feel that heat
Hear my motor screamin while I'm tearin up the street
Re: Are Champion RJ12YC's junk ? [Re: GTX MATT] #71854
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After reading all of these posts I would like to add one overview. If you are fouling new plugs there is something wrong other than the plug brand. All plug manus make good products. I prefer what I posted for a couple of reasons but none are because I don't think Champion makes a good plug. If you are fouling your plugs on a mechanically sound motor you are either using the wrong heat range or you have tune up problems. -Bob

Re: Are Champion RJ12YC's junk ? [Re: BobR] #71855
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After reading all of these posts I would like to add one overview. If you are fouling new plugs there is something wrong other than the plug brand. All plug manus make good products. I prefer what I posted for a couple of reasons but none are because I don't think Champion makes a good plug. If you are fouling your plugs on a mechanically sound motor you are either using the wrong heat range or you have tune up problems. -Bob




Exactly my point before


Now I need to pin those needles, got to feel that heat
Hear my motor screamin while I'm tearin up the street
Re: Are Champion RJ12YC's junk ? [Re: GTX MATT] #71856
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I can't believe this thread... just goes to show...there's those who know...those who think they know...and those who don't even suspect.
Come on you guys...really

Re: Are Champion RJ12YC's junk ? [Re: RobR] #71857
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hi everyone been runing the champions rj12yc which edelbrock recomends but they're getting a rust color on them my specs on my engine are 440 .55 over 11 1/2-1 bme aluminum rods .620 solid roller 6 barrel set up with orange box ignition msd coil and wires never had this color before any help
thanks guys

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Re: Are Champion RJ12YC's junk ? [Re: postbody65] #71858
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hi everyone been runing the champions rj12yc which edelbrock recomends but they're getting a rust color on them my specs on my engine are 440 .55 over 11 1/2-1 bme aluminum rods .620 solid roller 6 barrel set up with orange box ignition msd coil and wires never had this color before any help
thanks guys




I would have to see but what kind of fuel are you using? Any octane boosters? MMT-methylcyclopentadienyl manganese tricarbonyl(in some fuel and octane boosters) can cause a rust colored deposit. Is the motor running good? Any chance of coolant seepage into your combustion? Any oil consumption?
-Bob

Re: Are Champion RJ12YC's junk ? [Re: BobR] #71859
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After reading all of these posts I would like to add one overview. If you are fouling new plugs there is something wrong other than the plug brand. ....If you are fouling your plugs on a mechanically sound motor you are either using the wrong heat range or you have tune up problems. -Bob




i said that earlier in this STUPID thread. perhaps the masses will listen to you.

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no water in chambers no oil consumption have been using vp booster with sunoco 93 octane runs great no misses but have always wondered about the cut back plugs
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helps promote a more uniform flame travel. IE: more stable, thus minimizing the chance of detonation.
thats the only thing proven to work. V-grooves~U-grooves~slit ground electrodes~etc are all marketing gimmics.
Platnium~Uridium~Titanium~etc tip plugs DO NOT promote a better spark, but are super hard and VERY wear resistant.
hence the "go 60k without changing them" statements. Also there 3,5,7 times more $$$ then conventional plugs.
now, i buy my CHAMPION J12YC for $3/pair, and change em once every couple of years regaurdless of milage, and
i also inspect them twice a year, just to make sure there are ZERO problems. If one plans on keeping there
plugs in there small/big block MoPar for more then say 8000 miles, you gotta be

Re: Are Champion RJ12YC's junk ? #71862
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I had an 70 duster beater car which had a weak 318 engine and did burn some oil and I put new champions in it which fouled almost imediatly so everybody said put hotter heat range in so I special ordered some 16's and they fouled as fast as the 12's so then I tried autolites and it ran till I junked it, I think it had motercrafts before I changed to the champions and I didn't change the plugs because they were fouled it was just a tune up.This was in 1980 so maybe they have made a better product but it just left a bad taste for me, I have used autolites in other worn engines with great results.I don't claim to be a know -it-all but this is just some personal experiances.

Mitch

Re: Are Champion RJ12YC's junk ? [Re: postbody65] #71863
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"have been using vp booster with sunoco 93 octane"


I'd bet a buck that the booster has MMT in it. If it does you've found your culprit. -Bob

Re: Are Champion RJ12YC's junk ? [Re: BobR] #71864
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I used to run champions, but switched to autolites. I noted no difference between the two. Both stay good just as long.

Re: Are Champion RJ12YC's junk ? [Re: 500ciDuster] #71865
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Fuel,air,electrical,fuel in the 80`s is better than the water we run now,fuel in the sixties(lead) better than racing fuel now.Autolites in my big blocks since the 70`s,ran ngk`s only in my motorcycles,now will run in my bee,still correct heat range,gap,fuel and air will run for long time,oil fired or fuel deluted won`t,had to say something after reading this post this far......amazing but autolites run longer with oiling problem than champs but champs still make the best race plug OK good night

Re: Are Champion RJ12YC's junk ? [Re: RobR] #71866
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I can't believe this thread... just goes to show...there's those who know...those who think they know...and those who don't even suspect.
Come on you guys...really




so, are you refering to the beer comments? cause some of those have been WAY out there! not one person mentioned any German or Irish beers!

now that's just silly!


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