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Junk motor mounts..UPDATE AGAIN #717400
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Can't believe my motor mounts have broken already.. Stock 440 in my 67 with 1500 miles on the engine and mounts.. One very small burnout and mostly just some crusing done with these..

Bought the mounts from NAPA and when I saw made in India I was worried, but I thought they would last a while...

Any update on some recommendations and sources here for some new good ones???

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I went through this on my old slant 6. The original rubber mounts lasted 35 years and the replacements lasted a year!

I ended up going with poly drivers side and stock passenger mounts. The crap mount lasted way better in compression than being pulled apart by engine torque.

On my 408 I used Schumacher mounts. Way more money but the quality is there.

Good luck

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You might have to step up to the interlocking poly mounts offered by Schumacher. NOT cheap, but install it ONCE and be done with it.

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Yeah, but the poly are reputedly harsh? How about the mitymounts (rubber with steel interlock)

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The India made mounts are JUNK. It doesn't matter what name is on the box. You can tell by the look and feel of the rubber (well, I'm not even sure it's really rubber, might be elephant fat for all I know). I did buy a pair of mounts from Kragen (O'Reilly) a few weeks ago for the Ramcharger. They were made in Korea, which appear to better made and with better material. They also have a lifetime warranty.

I also recently made a transmision mount for my wife's 95 LeBaron. The only mounts available were a junk mount from the local transmission parts house for about $35 or the dealer for about $200. A poly sway bar bushing and some square tubing, DONE. I do feel some extra vibration at idle from time to time, but the acceleration shake is gone.

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The India made mounts are JUNK. It doesn't matter what name is on the box. You can tell by the look and feel of the rubber (well, I'm not even sure it's really rubber, might be elephant fat for all I know). I did buy a pair of mounts from Kragen (O'Reilly) a few weeks ago for the Ramcharger. They were made in Korea, which appear to better made and with better material. They also have a lifetime warranty.

I also recently made a transmision mount for my wife's 95 LeBaron. The only mounts available were a junk mount from the local transmission parts house for about $35 or the dealer for about $200. A poly sway bar bushing and some square tubing, DONE. I do feel some extra vibration at idle from time to time, but the acceleration shake is gone.




Do the cars use the same rubber mount as trucks? If so get Diesel mounts

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thanks for the replys..

Any dealers for Shumacher mounts or the polys?? I like the Shumachers but not sure I need all that.. I do like the idea of doing this only once ( again)

Any other suggestions out there??

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The India made mounts are JUNK. It doesn't matter what name is on the box. You can tell by the look and feel of the rubber (well, I'm not even sure it's really rubber, might be elephant fat for all I know). I did buy a pair of mounts from Kragen (O'Reilly) a few weeks ago for the Ramcharger. They were made in Korea, which appear to better made and with better material. They also have a lifetime warranty.

I also recently made a transmision mount for my wife's 95 LeBaron. The only mounts available were a junk mount from the local transmission parts house for about $35 or the dealer for about $200. A poly sway bar bushing and some square tubing, DONE. I do feel some extra vibration at idle from time to time, but the acceleration shake is gone.




Do the cars use the same rubber mount as trucks? If so get Diesel mounts




Nope, completely different and even different than earlier K-car derivatives.

Re: Junk motor mounts [Re: minivan] #717408
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thanks for the replys..

Any dealers for Shumacher mounts or the polys?? I like the Shumachers but not sure I need all that.. I do like the idea of doing this only once ( again)

Any other suggestions out there??




Schumacher sells directly and through Mancini and others. I have the older version Schumacher mount - rubber with through bolt - on a 496B and it has been trouble free. I would buy the interlocking type if I were in the market now. Usually only one is required (drivers) with a good quality standard mount on the other. This helps limit vibration. If you call schumacher they'll get you fixed up.

The other fix is a chain or a strap from the block to the frame to control engine twist. I don't run one but if you ask you'll get lots of pics of different setups.

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I had the local parts store order 4 of them, one was made in Korea and has held up to some abuse..
The India mount didnt last one day...

part number 2250..

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I ordered the Schumachers today.. I didn't want to do this job again..

Hope they come with some grease.....

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Well funny thing is the drivers side india motor mount is out and it is OK????

Any chance these cheap ones can really move around?? The drivers side was coming up what looked like 2-3 inches when I power braked the car.... Should I be looking for something else wrong??

Gonna install the Schumachers and see how it does.....

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Oh yeah, they can move around.

Re: Junk motor mounts..UPDATE [Re: minivan] #717413
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Is it possible that they soften to a gooey "chewing gum" consistency when they get warm from engine heat?

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Add a chain and be done with it.

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Is it possible that they soften to a gooey "chewing gum" consistency when they get warm from engine heat? [/quote

No , they soften because of the INFERIOR rubber they are made of .

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Add a chain and be done with it.




This and you can get a nice torque strap from Schemaker as well if you want.

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I have the Schumachers on my 340, and they're great. I have no more worries about breaking a mount and losing my fan shroud.

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Add a chain and be done with it.




This and you can get a nice torque strap from Schemaker as well if you want.




Yup, a chain or a sliding mount like the carb kickdown linkage, Gives play at idle but then halts any movement past a point. That is what is needed. My 65 A mounts are 3 inches tall of rubber..I will be using a "motor torsion limiting device". Interlocking mounts are acceptable.


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Thanks for the replies..

I am aware of torque straps etc..

What I am saying is I have seen busted motor mounts before and based on the amount of lift from the drivers side of the motor while lightly powerbraking my car, it sure looked like one to me and I was very surprised to see both of my " made in india" mounts were not broken...

I will update this post after I start it with the new Schumacher mounts in and let everyone know what the difference is.....

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OK started and power braked car with new Schumaker mounts... WOW hardly any engine movement at all.. Still cannot believe the "made in India" mounts I purchased at NAPA, with 1700 miles on them, allowed so much movement...

The negative.... ALOT more vibration is going through my car from the engine... Hopefully some of this will dissipate after I drive it a while.

Hope this helps some of you....

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The "Korea is better than India at NAPA" motor mount stories is also true with the later spool type motor mounts. I bought a pair at NAPA and one was from Korea and the other from India. The one from India had the bolt hole filled with rubber. The local NAPA store got me another Korea mount. NAPA is good to work with for special request.

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I was using a solid mount on the drivers side and a regular NAPA replacement mount on the pass. side (replaced twice in 4 months). After just a couple of use's the engine sag's so much on the pass. side the inner tie rod end's hit the header putting deep enough grooves that they need to be welded. I will be switching to Schumacher's.

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OK started and power braked car with new Schumaker mounts... WOW hardly any engine movement at all.. Still cannot believe the "made in India" mounts I purchased at NAPA, with 1700 miles on them, allowed so much movement...

The negative.... ALOT more vibration is going through my car from the engine... Hopefully some of this will dissipate after I drive it a while.

Hope this helps some of you....




Try putting a regular mount , not india sourced if you can find one , on the pass side .

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I just replaces my motor & trans mounts with Schmucher mounts 67 b body 440 it raised the motor a little over an inch the car now drive 100% better and different.I have no vibration from the motor it's a 440 and it's balanced.

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Add a chain and be done with it.




I tried that before. Next I ripped the passenger side one downwards.


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Do the cars use the same rubber mount as trucks? If so get Diesel mounts




Dodgeboy, what are these diesel mounts you speak of?


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Add a chain and be done with it.




I tried that before. Next I ripped the passenger side one downwards.


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Do the cars use the same rubber mount as trucks? If so get Diesel mounts




Dodgeboy, what are these diesel mounts you speak of?




He is asking a question he does not know the answer to , there is no diesel mount that is the same as the biscuit car mount .

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I just replaces my motor & trans mounts with Schmucher mounts 67 b body 440 it raised the motor a little over an inch the car now drive 100% better and different.I have no vibration from the motor it's a 440 and it's balanced.




Now this is interesting.....

Drove my car over the weekend and I think my carb is acting up again. I have taken off the stock carb ( in the past) and blown out the passages and cleaned out the bowls and it ran great for a while.. I do think the schumacher mounts tend to transfer more of the engine vibrations than the soft "india" mounts... Hoping they might "loosen" up after some driving....

Friend with a roadrunner finally gave up on his stock carb and installed a new Edelbrock.. Said its never run so good and his gas mileage increased..

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I just replaces my motor & trans mounts with Schmucher mounts 67 b body 440 it raised the motor a little over an inch the car now drive 100% better and different.I have no vibration from the motor it's a 440 and it's balanced.




Now this is interesting.....

Drove my car over the weekend and I think my carb is acting up again. I have taken off the stock carb ( in the past) and blown out the passages and cleaned out the bowls and it ran great for a while.. I do think the schumacher mounts tend to transfer more of the engine vibrations than the soft "india" mounts... Hoping they might "loosen" up after some driving....

Friend with a roadrunner finally gave up on his stock carb and installed a new Edelbrock.. Said its never run so good and his gas mileage increased..




just make sure you do not buy a PERFORMER 750

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I would not bank on the Schumacher poly mounts loosening up I'm afraid. As I mentioned in my earlier post, your experience is consistent with other poly mount buyers.

In theory the mitymounts (I got mine from 440source IIRC but not installed) should offer best of both worlds since they are rubber but mechanically lock. In theory!

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Man, I've been down this road. At the end of the racing season last year, I started having problems skipping right over 2nd gear with the slapstick shifter. Thought the shifter was shot. Replaced it with two differnt shifters... Console in-out-in-out. Same problem. Finally noticed my oil pan was resting on the steering linkage. What the? Turns out the mounts were shot. Right sided really sagged down and left side sagged down and broken. I have a torque strap, so it wasn't really noticeable.

I wanted to race the following weekend so I just got a cheap set from the local parts store. Went to the track twice and the new mounts were shot. Sagging again and back to shifting problems. I guess the shifter linkage was getting out of alignment somehow and/or rubbing on the header at the collector.

So I got the Polylock mounts from Schumacher. When I called, they were on back-order and I had to wait a little over a week before they shipped, but initially they said it could have been almost a month delay.

The Polylock mounts do not sag at all and created clearance problems with my Hooker Supercomp headers and the torsionbar on the left side. Thankfully the headers are two piece and I just removed the rear tube and clearanced it for the torsionbar.

I was surprised at all the vibration the polylocks DO put into the car. My engine is balanced, but isn't exactly stock either. I have nine passes and not sure how many street miles on the poly mounts with no signs of trouble.

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Save your money. The Korean mounts offered by NAPA are junk as well. My dad picked up a transmission mount from NAPA and gave it to me to install a couple of weeks ago. I returned it due to poor quality. The box was marked "Made in Korea". Thin gauge metal, poorly formed mounting flanges, and mounting slots that were positioned too close to the bend to allow insertion of the bolts. Schumacher mounts, although excellent quality, are an overkill for a stock application. Does Mopar (or anyone else) sell OEM rubber mounts? I do know that some of the Mopar ones are, in fact, reboxed Anchor (Korean).

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Save your money. The Korean mounts offered by NAPA are junk as well. My dad picked up a transmission mount from NAPA and gave it to me to install a couple of weeks ago. I returned it due to poor quality. The box was marked "Made in Korea". Thin gauge metal, poorly formed mounting flanges, and mounting slots that were positioned too close to the bend to allow insertion of the bolts. Schumacher mounts, although excellent quality, are an overkill for a stock application. Does Mopar (or anyone else) sell OEM rubber mounts? I do know that some of the Mopar ones are, in fact, reboxed Anchor (Korean).




I think this is the million dollar question.. Does anybody make a mount that is a good quality rubber or poly?? Something inbetween the india/Korean and the Schumacher??

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These problems are exactly why I have junk mounts and a torque strap in my car. I don't want vibrations or to have new mounts fail as soon as they are used.

There has to be a market for a good quality mount that is for stock type apps. The Sch. mounts are obviously a nice part if your app. calls for them. Many of us just aren't using our cars as race cars.

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I just spent 4 hours replacing the ones in my 67 cuda because the drivers side one was broken...

HAD A HELL OF A TIME getting the lower bolt out as it would just spin the mount (they are factory style locknuts) - I used locktite and regular nuts when I put them back in...

If it was not for this it would not have been a big deal...

I used the polylock ones; starting the car up and taking it to work tomorrow... - I also replaced the trans mount.

The best option for a-body owners is to use the spool mounts...

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The Korean mounts seem to be decent quality, which doesn't surprise me. One of the best low cost tires on the market are also made in Korea (Kumho). You can tell that the "rubber" is low quality just by looking at a new Indian mount.

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The Korean mounts seem to be decent quality, which doesn't surprise me. One of the best low cost tires on the market are also made in Korea (Kumho). You can tell that the "rubber" is low quality just by looking at a new Indian mount.




That may be, but after 1000 miles the Korea ones on my '67 were broken on the drivers side - hate to see what the indian ones would look like.

It is a 4 speed though with a 300 HP 360 crate motor - I did get on it a few times

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That Schumacher style Torque Strap goes a long way toward making motor mounts last- and it is easy to fabricate yourself. If you look at the pictures of their mount, the mounting bracket on the bottom doesn't have to have that dogleg in it (or might, depending on some sway bar applications), and it doesn't have to have the joint at the top. Mine that I built several years ago for about $15 bolts right to an existing hole on the head using an old fender brace mated to 5/8 all-thread on the bottom, uses strut rod rubber bushings off the parts store shelf, and a flat 1/4" plate on the bottom across the k-member. You can barely tell it's there and it's like having 2 motor mounts on the drivers side...

Re: Junk motor mounts..UPDATE AGAIN [Re: donbarnes] #717438
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I raced for years and just put a solid mount on the driver's side and a rubber one on the passenger side with rubber trans mount. No vibrations and nothing moves...It's actually that simple,lasts for years...

Re: Junk motor mounts..UPDATE AGAIN [Re: QuickBpBp] #717439
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I raced for years and just put a solid mount on the driver's side and a rubber one on the passenger side with rubber trans mount. No vibrations and nothing moves...It's actually that simple,lasts for years...




I cut out all the rubber on my driver's side mount and welded a piece of rectangular tubing in to take the place of the rubber. My brother did the same thing to his 455 buick motor mount as well.

Re: Junk motor mounts..UPDATE AGAIN [Re: 6T6Cuda] #717440
06/19/10 08:56 AM
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I just spent 4 hours replacing the ones in my 67 cuda because the drivers side one was broken...

HAD A HELL OF A TIME getting the lower bolt out as it would just spin the mount (they are factory style locknuts) - I used locktite and regular nuts when I put them back in...

If it was not for this it would not have been a big deal...

I used the polylock ones; starting the car up and taking it to work tomorrow... - I also replaced the trans mount.

The best option for a-body owners is to use the spool mounts...




Well, a quick report on the polylocks... You can feel a lot more motor vibration, but the car feels a LOT tighter.

The vibration is not bad but it is farther from a Cadillac, starting it you can feel the starter.

I need to get some more miles but overall good but they are noticeably stiffer then the factory ones.

One thing that concerns me is I got a torque strap from shumacker as well (for the other car), and the welds on the bottom part of the strap are horrible (no penetration, just stuck on the top) makes me wonder about the welds in the motor mount...

Re: Junk motor mounts..UPDATE [Re: Kern Dog] #717441
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I have a 70 Bee with a WILD 383 4-speed in her and I was busting motor mounts ALL THE TIME, then chained the motor down and busted the chain a few times as well.. Then around the time I was deciding to park the car for good Schumacher came out with the poly-lock motor mount..I said what the hell, and yes they were spendy, BUT I have NEVER had a problem with the motor mounts ever again and pound on her even harder GOD I LOVE MOPARS!!!!

Re: Junk motor mounts..UPDATE [Re: Magnum] #717442
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There is a post somewhere on this forum about just buying the cheap biscuit style mounts. Drill two holes through the drivers side mount and then put in two grade 8 bolts and locknuts through it. You have the nice soft rubber mounts to keep down the vibration that lock up when you get on it without buying those expensive locking ones.

Re: Junk motor mounts..UPDATE [Re: rapom] #717443
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