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440 OverFlow Reservoir? #70895
06/10/08 11:19 AM
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Hello , I have a 440 mid 70s i think and when i drive short distances the radiator is fine and the car wont heat up but when i travel say on the highway for 10+min and stop it idles badly and even starts spewing coolant all over the place. Just yesterday it dropped easily half of the coolant onto the parking lot after driving on the highway. Is this normal without a overflow container ? because at the moment i dont have one. any help is appreciated because its quite annoying.

Re: 440 OverFlow Reservoir? [Re: 440_ci] #70896
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thats why they started using overflow bottles.

Re: 440 OverFlow Reservoir? [Re: 440_ci] #70897
06/10/08 11:23 AM
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how full did you fill the radiator ? it needs to be an inch of so below the neck ?

what type of cap on the rad ? if you have a new cap thats designed for an overflow system then its going to puke coolant because its supposed to . for now put a clean one qt oil bottle on the end of the hose , drill a hole in the cap to put the hose thru and tie warp it to the core support , i sit the bottle on the frame rail and tie it down .

what size is your radiator , fixed fan or clutch , shroud or not ?

there is a thread by another member just recently with a ton of tips and things too look at .

Re: 440 OverFlow Reservoir? [Re: JohnRR] #70898
06/10/08 11:30 AM
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The coolant was a inch below the cap, Its a 22inch rad with a fixed fan and shroud, the only thing i can think of is it is a new cap (16lb) that i got as a direct replacement(thats what they told me) for a older one. When i stopped though i lost ALOT of coolant is that still normal for not having a overflow hose?

Re: 440 OverFlow Reservoir? [Re: 440_ci] #70899
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Fixed fan on a mid 70's car? Put a clutch on there!


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Re: 440 OverFlow Reservoir? [Re: CHRGR69] #70900
06/10/08 11:55 AM
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Could you please explain the difference between the two and y it matters on a mid 70's car? also i really just want to fix this coolant problem if anyone has some tips

Re: 440 OverFlow Reservoir? [Re: 440_ci] #70901
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If you're easily puking out of a 16 lb cap, with a system that is not COMPETELY full I would say you are running hot. You can try a higher pressure cap (like a 22/23) but be aware that stresses the system more.

I would be looking at lowering the operating temp of the system, and possible adding a recovery system (if you're willing). They really were a great improvement by virtue of the fact it keeps all air purged from the system and our cars don't barf on the ground.

Re: 440 OverFlow Reservoir? [Re: 440_ci] #70902
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You can get a small recovery tank for 7.99 at autozone, it has everything you need including hose, but it wont hold half your coolant, so you may want to get another cap if that is the problem.

Re: 440 OverFlow Reservoir? [Re: Exit1965] #70903
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You may want to solve the actual cooling problem, but add an external coolant overflow bottle anyway. Good for you, saves coolant and better for the environment to not be dumping all over the place.

Re: 440 OverFlow Reservoir? [Re: DaytonaTurbo] #70904
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Not normal to lose alot of coolant.

the vehicle is overheating.

Look for leaks.
If none, start with a t stat.

Re: 440 OverFlow Reservoir? [Re: JohnRR] #70905
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how full did you fill the radiator ? it needs to be an inch of so below the neck ?

what type of cap on the rad ? if you have a new cap thats designed for an overflow system then its going to puke coolant because its supposed to .


They are all designed to puke at high pressure reserve or not. Difference being that the cap for reserve tank equipped systems have a provision to allow the coolant to syphone back from the overflow tank to the radiator as the radiator cools causing a vacuum. The hose to the recovery tank MUST go to the bottom of the recovery tank either from the outside or from the top fed down to the base of the tank so that it is in coolant if it is puked into the tank.

Re: 440 OverFlow Reservoir? [Re: 440_ci] #70906
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hi
first thing that comes to inde is your bottom rad hose is collapsing at hiway speed .

make sure you have a spring inside the bottom <suction> hose .
you can make one from a coat hanger wraped around a pipe to form it .
let us know !

Re: 440 OverFlow Reservoir? [Re: calrobb2000] #70907
06/12/08 05:03 PM
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Yea i thought i was running hot but didnt really wanna admit it, Iam pretty sure there is a hose on the lower one but is there anyway that i can check if its collapsing at highway speeds without actually being there to witness it?

Re: 440 OverFlow Reservoir? [Re: 440_ci] #70908
06/12/08 05:07 PM
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Squeeze the hose. If you can easily collapse it then you need a spring inside.

Re: 440 OverFlow Reservoir? [Re: MoparforLife] #70909
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how full did you fill the radiator ? it needs to be an inch of so below the neck ?

what type of cap on the rad ? if you have a new cap thats designed for an overflow system then its going to puke coolant because its supposed to .


They are all designed to puke at high pressure reserve or not. Difference being that the cap for reserve tank equipped systems have a provision to allow the coolant to syphone back from the overflow tank to the radiator as the radiator cools causing a vacuum. The hose to the recovery tank MUST go to the bottom of the recovery tank either from the outside or from the top fed down to the base of the tank so that it is in coolant if it is puked into the tank.


The difference in caps is is a cap for the older 'overflow puke on the floor' systems only has one rubber gasket. The 'recovery' types have a dual gasket on the cap. For the old on the floor type containers the overflow tube goes in the top of the tank. Once it overflows, the coolant does not go back into the radiator. With the closed type recovery system, the radiator overflow tube enters the tank from the bottom. Sometimes there will be an additional; hose coming out of the top but that is just incase the tank gets to full. With the recovery system you can fill your radiator to the top when cold and then some. When the fluid expands it pushes past the cap and enters the recovery (overflow) tank thru the bottom. This keeps the system sealed from outside air. When the coolant cools down it contracts and is litterally 'sucked' back into the radiator. If you have a pre 71? car and want it to look stock but not puke on the floor you can get a plastic recovery tank from Summit etc, and mount it out of sight in a front wheel well, etc. I did this on my sig car and itis invisible and works like a champ.

Re: 440 OverFlow Reservoir? [Re: stumpy] #70910
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Thats funny u say that because its very weak and flimsy and can very easily be collapsed by hand. Think this might be my problem?

Re: 440 OverFlow Reservoir? [Re: 440_ci] #70911
06/16/08 12:37 PM
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Also , which hose is supposed to be colder again? Its the lower one right?







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