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Re: HHR elec. fans "again"?
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I think people were getting it for 60 something at rock auto
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the one i have is for a 2007 hhr. It takes up my entire radiator and it simply WORKS  , these fans flow A LOT of air. paid $60 for it new from rock auto.
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Re: HHR elec. fans "again"?
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Installed.
How did you strap it to the radiator, & did you have to trim it down, i've got 4" from the rad. cores too the WP pulley. One other thing, what amp alt. are you useing?
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Re: HHR elec. fans "again"?
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The fan has hollow ribs that run up/ down. They line up perfectly with the stock shroud mount holes. I used 10/24 screws and nuts in each corner. I held the nuts with my long needlenose pliers. Needless to say, the rad and fan come out in one piece. Yes, I had to trim a lot. I took the motor out and trimmed away the back that covers the motor. Lots of trial fit.
The alternator is a basic 60 amp square back.
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Re: HHR elec. fans "again"?
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The fan has hollow ribs that run up/ down. They line up perfectly with the stock shroud mount holes. I used 10/24 screws and nuts in each corner. I held the nuts with my long needlenose pliers. Needless to say, the rad and fan come out in one piece. Yes, I had to trim a lot. I took the motor out and trimmed away the back that covers the motor. Lots of trial fit.
The alternator is a basic 60 amp square back.
Thanks, i'll most likely get one, what was the part #?
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Re: HHR elec. fans "again"?
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So how much room do you need to get it in there? I have a 16" fan from Mancini and I was looking into the HHR instead.Last Thursday it was over eighty here and my car went over 220 for a little bit until I got some fresh air in the grill. Gus 
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Re: HHR elec. fans "again"?
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So how much room do you need to get it in there? I have a 16" fan from Mancini and I was looking into the HHR instead.Last Thursday it was over eighty here and my car went over 220 for a little bit until I got some fresh air in the grill.
Gus
About 3.1/2" after triming it down from what i'm seeing, there about 4", i'm sure your car has alot more room then my Dart, so it should fit fine.
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The factory male plug (the one NOT on the fan housing) is on many other GM cars at the U pull it. They gave me one for nothing. The Rock Auto site will let you see the applications if you look for them. Mine came with about 4 feet of both wires and came off a 1995 Buick.
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Re: HHR elec. fans "again"?
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I'm also wondering if my alt. will be enough, its just a stock unit,
No it wont be enough....
Ive got a GMCS120 (110 amp or so) alternator with twin fans. It pulls the idle down about 150 RPM or so when I switch the fans on.
BTW, Ive got the fans, headlights, and fuel pump on relays.
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Re: HHR elec. fans "again"?
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I'm also wondering if my alt. will be enough, its just a stock unit,
No it wont be enough....
Ive got a GMCS120 (110 amp or so) alternator with twin fans. It pulls the idle down about 150 RPM or so when I switch the fans on.
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Re: HHR elec. fans "again"?
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ive have had NO problems with my HHR fan and stock alternator for the record.
It works just fine without a big amp alt. no change to my idle when fan is on.
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Re: HHR elec. fans "again"?
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It's not just the alternator output that will "be enough". It's also the reserve of the battery and the health of your whole charging system- especially the wiring- double especially if you're not sure of the condition of your bulkhead connector, dash harness, ammeter, and engine harness. I have all of that in good shape, and a trunk mounted group 31 truck battery for PLENTY of reserve. I have no problems. My ammeter (new autometer) hardly budges when I flick the switch. About the same if the headlights are on. As far as trimming, I'd say you can take about .5 inch off evenly around the housing without the fan hitting the core. That is up to you. With my radiator package, I needed about 4.5 inches. True hot rodding at play here! 
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I assume this is for a street car. Maybe a cruiser or something similar?
What size is your radiator? I might have something for you but it would require an alternator upgrade.
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One thing I've noticed during my adventures in hot rodding is a distinct lack of heavy power distribution blocks in the car. I need to completely rewire the hot rod to clean up all the relays I've added as well as all the hacking that has taken place over the last 45 years.
The alternator stud will be a good place to supply heavy amperage to the fan. Make sure you've got a heavy relay too. My Mercedes fans will spike at 50 amps and settle down to 40 while running. the typical Autozone 30 amp relay won't cut it. Luckily, these fans have a built in start up capacitor. I can run a heavy lead (fused of course) to the fan run lead and a tiny little switched lead to the start up wire.
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I assume this is for a street car. Maybe a cruiser or something similar?
What size is your radiator? I might have something for you but it would require an alternator upgrade.
Its primarily a street car, was is it that you have??
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I assume this is for a street car. Maybe a cruiser or something similar?
What size is your radiator? I might have something for you but it would require an alternator upgrade.
Its primarily a street car, was is it that you have??
I might have another Mercedes fan lurking about but I need to know what size radiator you're running.
Its a factory style 22"
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It's not just the alternator output that will "be enough". It's also the reserve of the battery and the health of your whole charging system- especially the wiring- double especially if you're not sure of the condition of your bulkhead connector, dash harness, ammeter, and engine harness.
I have all of that in good shape, and a trunk mounted group 31 truck battery for PLENTY of reserve. I have no problems. My ammeter (new autometer) hardly budges when I flick the switch. About the same if the headlights are on.
As far as trimming, I'd say you can take about .5 inch off evenly around the housing without the fan hitting the core. That is up to you. With my radiator package, I needed about 4.5 inches.
True hot rodding at play here!
Where do you think the power for the fan should be taken from? The battery? If so, bad choice
alternator output stud.
The battery is a good place to tap for relay power, but as feets said, you need to have a good distribution place. When I relocated my battery, I put a stud on a mounting strip I made for my relays where the battery used to be. I power the car from there as if it were the batt post. As far as fan ckt protection, I am holding with just a 30A fuse. It hasn't blown. I looked at info I could get on cars with similar fans, and I see 40A, so that's prolly conservative.
The idea of using the HHR fan is being on a budget, and not just calling summit and getting the $600 combo. I think the job gets done nicely.
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Well i'm running a factory style rad., so it has the wide mounting brackets on the sides, i really don't want to cut the rad. core support, on my rad. (as many factory mopar rads) the tank overlaps the core lip & rest against the back, so i'd have to chop the crap out of it, thats just not an option for me, so at this point, i might just pass on the elec. fan & try & squeeze a clutch fan in there, i know i can easily install a flex fan, that should have less drag then the solid fan at higher RPMs, but i'm leary on that, because of there blades possibly coming loose.
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hayden 2765
About the shortest clutch fan you will find.
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The Mercedes fans are too big for a 22" radiator. I'm sure one could be made to work but it would require some fabrication.
To those of you who have cut your core supports, you REALLY need to go back in there and add some support. Those are structural elements in the design of the car. Another name for them is upper tie bar. They tie the two sides of the car together.
These cars were made with floppy flexy chassis. Jack up one corner of the car by the unibody rail and open the door. You'll notice that it's different than when the car is on the ground.
You need every bit of support you can find in the chassis. Rough roads can flop the chassis around. A collision on a weakened chassis could make a repairable hit into one that totals the car.
Without that strong upper tie bar you essentially have nothing preventing the tops of the fenders from collapsing into the middle of the car.
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hayden 2765
About the shortest clutch fan you will find.
Thanks, i'll right that down.
Feets, yeah i agree, that area is a support structure, that lip is cridical for that upper rail, plus it looks "tacky" doing that, thats why it'll never happen for me, the only reason i'm even messing with this is to free up some HP, especially after hearing these solid fans rob a good 18-20, i knew they robbed power, but not that much.
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To those of you who have cut your core supports, ..... those are structural elements in the design of the car.... they tie the two sides of the car together....these cars were made with floppy flexy chassis.... a collision on a weakened chassis could make a repairable hit into one that totals the car....you essentially have nothing preventing the tops of the fenders from collapsing into the middle of the car.
That would have been good info ... yesterday morning, pre-Sawzall. 
I'm sure it weakens the structure a little, but in a frontal impact I don't see a missing strip of thin sheetmetal 1/2" wide making the difference whether the car; or driver; survives the event.
In the case of an a-body Barracuda, installing a fiberglass header panel would weaken it much more in the same area.
If my fenders collapse, I'll post pics! 
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Re: HHR elec. fans "again"?
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I took off a junkyard fan/clutch from a 80's v6. I had a mile of room with my combo. The HHR lookd to be a bit tight with a stock rad and a big block. I agree again with feets about compromising the upper support, but I do think our mopars are sturdy cars- especially when compared to similar era unibodies.
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Here is mine I think I need to fix the shroud though.
I don't think I have 4 inches to the radiator
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Here is mine I think I need to fix the shroud though.
I don't think I have 4 inches to the radiator
That's about the same amount of room I had with a 7-blade clutch fan. There are actually some marks in the radiator where they had touched, but that's the way it was when I got the car so I don't know how it happened.
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Here is a couple ways of doing this. I got the 19" version (I have solid motor mounts) of this... http://www.summitracing.com/parts/HDA-3618/If no one can help you out you can order this or click on the application chart and you will see 10 pages of cars you can find this fan off of that will fit the standard fan clutch. Then go to the junk yard with your list and have at it. Many of the clutch fans before 1990 have the same bolt pattern, that why the list is so big. Oh and I bought the Fan Clutch from Kragen since they have a lifetime warranty.
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Here is a couple ways of doing this.
I got the 19" version (I have solid motor mounts) of this...
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/HDA-3618/
If no one can help you out you can order this or click on the application chart and you will see 10 pages of cars you can find this fan off of that will fit the standard fan clutch. Then go to the junk yard with your list and have at it.
Many of the clutch fans before 1990 have the same bolt pattern, that why the list is so big.
Oh and I bought the Fan Clutch from Kragen since they have a lifetime warranty.
So you got the 3618 fan & the 2765 Hayden clutch?
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I used a late model ('96 or 7-ish..) Tbird fan before. Was awesome and moved a TON of air, even on the low speed (they are a 2 speed unit) they are pretty deep is the only issue. They fit the 28" Summit radiators perfectly too. This time around on my current build, I am using twin Spal fans, since don't have the depth for a single big fan with the motor in the middle. The twin allow me more room right in the center where the water pump hub is (non-Mopar setup) Car is nearly done, so can't say for sure how the system will cool...but I am hoping it should do the trick. 
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It may be better to get this one for some reason the 18 I have listed requires a spacer? http://www.summitracing.com/parts/DER-17918/or this one since i got the 5719 and it bolted on without a problem, this is the 5718 http://www.summitracing.com/parts/FLX-5718/
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Look at the note I circled on the original fan number I gave.
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What rotation do i need, clockwise or counter-clockwise, both those fans have different rotations?
Man theres tons of those fans & clutches, Hayden's not showing the 2765 clutch, how did you get that #, they don't even show dementions or height. I called Autozone & that hayden 2765 is a good part #, it'll have to be ordered & its 39.99.
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Clockwise the application is for a Jaguar, early mid 90s XJ6 or XJS
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That would have been good info ... yesterday morning, pre-Sawzall.
I'm sure it weakens the structure a little, but in a frontal impact I don't see a missing strip of thin sheetmetal 1/2" wide making the difference whether the car; or driver; survives the event.
In the case of an a-body Barracuda, installing a fiberglass header panel would weaken it much more in the same area.
If my fenders collapse, I'll post pics!
Modern cars use nothing more than thin sheetmetal structures like our core support. They hold up in collisions MUCH better than our old cars. It's all in how the structure is built.
A flimsy piece of thin sheet with a few bends in it becomes really strong in compression. It's like a piece of angle iron. It'll take much heavier loads than a similar thickness of flat steel.
You're not going to walk out one morning and find your fenders collapsed on one another. However, if you ever tag the wall during a race or get hit from the side you stand to take much more damage. Your inner fender is your only defense. With a complete upper tie bar both inner fenders work to keep the front end pointed in the same direction.
We are brothers and sisters doing time on the planet for better or worse. I'll take the better, if you don't mind.
- Stu Harmon
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Re: HHR elec. fans "again"?
[Re: feets]
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05/31/10 10:58 AM
05/31/10 10:58 AM
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Branson, Mo.
joedust451
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That would have been good info ... yesterday morning, pre-Sawzall.
I'm sure it weakens the structure a little, but in a frontal impact I don't see a missing strip of thin sheetmetal 1/2" wide making the difference whether the car; or driver; survives the event.
In the case of an a-body Barracuda, installing a fiberglass header panel would weaken it much more in the same area.
If my fenders collapse, I'll post pics!
Modern cars use nothing more than thin sheetmetal structures like our core support. They hold up in collisions MUCH better than our old cars. It's all in how the structure is built.
A flimsy piece of thin sheet with a few bends in it becomes really strong in compression. It's like a piece of angle iron. It'll take much heavier loads than a similar thickness of flat steel.
You're not going to walk out one morning and find your fenders collapsed on one another. However, if you ever tag the wall during a race or get hit from the side you stand to take much more damage. Your inner fender is your only defense. With a complete upper tie bar both inner fenders work to keep the front end pointed in the same direction.
I'm 100% with ya on this feet, thats why i won't cut that area, when you meantion an "upper tie bar", this is exactly what the Camaro guys do, especially with the 4th. gens., they run a cross tie bar to each shock tower for side too side strength, obviously this is done for a reason, its not just for show.
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Re: HHR elec. fans "again"?
[Re: joedust451]
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05/31/10 02:04 PM
05/31/10 02:04 PM
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So Cal
HealthServices
Why would you even post that?
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Why would you even post that?
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Remember to use the brass bushing to center the unit.
Allen
Here's a novel idea, let's not throw a bunch of parts at the car hoping it will fix the problem and instead spend a little time diagnosing it first.
Life was a little easier when I was just a wrench.
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Re: HHR elec. fans "again"?
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05/31/10 02:30 PM
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Remember to use the brass bushing to center the unit.
So that clutch (2765) will come with a brass bushing??
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Re: HHR elec. fans "again"?
[Re: joedust451]
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05/31/10 02:41 PM
05/31/10 02:41 PM
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So Cal
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Why would you even post that?
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Why would you even post that?
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yes, if not for some reason I have an extra sitting here.
Allen
Here's a novel idea, let's not throw a bunch of parts at the car hoping it will fix the problem and instead spend a little time diagnosing it first.
Life was a little easier when I was just a wrench.
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Re: HHR elec. fans "again"?
[Re: broncobra]
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06/01/10 12:12 AM
06/01/10 12:12 AM
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These Mopar fronts need all the help they can get.
You are absolutely right!! There alot weaker then most think, get into an mild accident & see  WT%!!!
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