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Re: 70 E body tremec 5 speed...what they don't tell you!
[Re: DAYCLONA]
#69444
06/08/08 09:25 PM
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i have a tremec in a 69 a body. I too am disappointed about the 6000 RPM limit, but not much I can do now. Maybe there is an alternative like switching to a different lubricant, but at worst I would say that it may need to be modified synchros for the higher rpm shifts. There is a difference between torque rating and RPM limit, and it seems if tremec (not keisler) would address the issues with synchros that could handle higher RPM's without aftermarket mods the trans would be worth it. The shifting at 6k is not keislers fault, that is on most stock tremecs. Sorry for the issues with your car, never like to see someone feel like they were lead astray.
Justin
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Re: 70 E body tremec 5 speed...what they don't tell you!
[Re: NITROUSN]
#69447
06/08/08 11:16 PM
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Pete,......you hit the nail on the head!,.....I wasn't gonna step in that "minefield",......but you "opened" the door,.......9 1/2 out of 10 times it's "IE".....installation error, something wasn't checked, or double checked, or a presumed decision was made without confirming it,...or the lack of equipment to properly install, or adjust,.....this applies to not just Keislers/Tremacs,....any componet installed,.....like I've said, after quite a few Keisler installs, I've only had two faliures, a bad hyd. master cylinder, right out of the box, Keisler supplied, but not made/ nor modified by them,.....and a input shaft sheared off a TKO 600, that was due to an "inexperienced employee" that thought he knew "everything"......and FORGOT to install the front BEARING  .....he was fired!  I've beaten the sh1t out of every Keisler set up,......and have yet had to experience any breakage?.....I usally find that when something fails , it's the result of an improper application, or improper installation? 
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Re: 70 E body tremec 5 speed...what they don't tell you!
[Re: daytonakid]
#69448
06/08/08 11:16 PM
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Dayton, Ohio
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"TREMEC is built with solid bronze synchros with no linings. It is for these reasons that the TREMEC does not like to shift well above ~6,500rpms unless modified. There is a way to improve the shifting but is only used for drag racing when down shifting is not needed." Found at http://www.moderndriveline.com/Technical_Bits/tremec.htmand per tremec tech representative
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Re: 70 E body tremec 5 speed...what they don't tell you!
[Re: mercman1]
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06/08/08 11:31 PM
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I have the TKO 5 from Keisler installed in my '71 Satellite behind a 383. After I first put it in I noticed the angle of the powertrain was out of wack- the rear of the engine was too low. After installing an air grabber hood, it became painfully clear how far out my set up was. My kit was a very early E body kit that I fit into a B body. Keisler wasn't sure it would fit, but I told them it would fit with a longer driveline. In the end, I sent the trans. back once and had a updated shift mechanism installed and the rear of the tailshaft housing machined down for more clearance. Once I installed it, it still would not go high enough in the tunnel. So I modified the trans tunnel. They also sent me a modified transmission crossmember. I had to build a 1" aluminum spacer for the crossmember to get it right. Last, but not least, I cut the spring pearches off my axle tubes, phased both u-joints on the driveline and welded the new spring pearches in place, this made a huge difference. The car is now smooth up to 100 mph. The transmission shifts fine at 6500 rpm. I'm using the centerforce clutch and my bellhousing is centered to .002" I did have problems with Keislers pilot bearing that has a brass sleeve on it to adapt it to fit the big block crank. I found the sleeve had come loose and was not holding the pilot in place. I found a Ford pilot bearing with the same I.D. and a larger O.D. and machined it down to fit the crank. It took a couple of years to get all the bugs out of this tranny install, but now it works great.
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Re: 70 E body tremec 5 speed...what they don't tell you!
[Re: RylisPro]
#69452
06/09/08 09:48 AM
06/09/08 09:48 AM
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Wow, if it is this hard to install 5-speed kits behind Mopar engines I wonder how it will be to install a T-56 ?!!
Well when it done right the first time, there's no problems.......be it a Tranny swap, supercharger install or changing points.......some people can "fubar" spreading peanut butter 
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Re: 70 E body tremec 5 speed...what they don't tell you!
[Re: DAYCLONA]
#69453
06/09/08 10:31 AM
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Pete,......you hit the nail on the head!,.....I wasn't gonna step in that "minefield",......but you "opened" the door,.......9 1/2 out of 10 times it's "IE".....installation error, something wasn't checked, or double checked, or a presumed decision was made without confirming it,...or the lack of equipment to properly install, or adjust,.....this applies to not just Keislers/Tremacs,....any componet installed,.....like I've said, after quite a few Keisler installs, I've only had two faliures, a bad hyd. master cylinder, right out of the box, Keisler supplied, but not made/ nor modified by them,.....and a input shaft sheared off a TKO 600, that was due to an "inexperienced employee" that thought he knew "everything"......and FORGOT to install the front BEARING .....he was fired! I've beaten the sh1t out of every Keisler set up,......and have yet had to experience any breakage?.....I usally find that when something fails , it's the result of an improper application, or improper installation?
Mine field.  Lots of them around. I know several chevvy guys running them up to 9 grand and banging gears without a problem. You guys with the problems must be holding your lips in the wrong position.  when wrenching or rowing gears  
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Re: 70 E body tremec 5 speed...what they don't tell you!
[Re: Hrtbkr]
#69456
06/09/08 02:58 PM
06/09/08 02:58 PM
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Also, unless somebody can enlighten me, not one car ever had a TKO series transmission ever installed from the factory. Tremec does make OE trannies like the T-5 and T-56 but the TKO trannies are purely aftermarket transmissions.
The TKO was installed in mid to late nineties Ford Cobra Mustangs.
My 1997 Cobra had a Tremec T-45 with the integral bellhousing. I know for sure, I rebuilt it.
The 96-99 Cobras all had the T-45 then after that, Ford went with the Tremec 3650.
Here, I found this.
http://www.ttcautomotive.com/English/products/TKO.asp
Tremec says the TKO is aftermarket only.....but they also go on to say the T-45 is aftermarket only but also say it came in 96-99 cobras perhaps the T-45 is aftermarket only at this point in time??
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Re: 70 E body tremec 5 speed...what they don't tell you!
[Re: Hrtbkr]
#69457
06/09/08 06:30 PM
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I believe the Tremec TKO was offered in the 1995 Cobra R only... very limited production.
4.6L Mustangs of that generation used the T45, which are junk, although quality and engineering improved immensely once Tremec took over from B-W.
The current Mustang GT Tremec is a close cousin to the TKO, sharing the same architecture.
-Jim
I can fix it... my old man is a television repairman.
He's got the ultimate set of tools... I can fix it.
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Re: 70 E body tremec 5 speed...what they don't tell you!
[Re: DAYCLONA]
#69458
06/09/08 07:06 PM
06/09/08 07:06 PM
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Stuart, FL
Grassosgarage
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Pete,......you hit the nail on the head!,.....I wasn't gonna step in that "minefield",......but you "opened" the door,.......9 1/2 out of 10 times it's "IE".....installation error, something wasn't checked, or double checked, or a presumed decision was made without confirming it,...or the lack of equipment to properly install, or adjust,.....this applies to not just Keislers/Tremacs,....any componet installed,.....like I've said, after quite a few Keisler installs, I've only had two faliures, a bad hyd. master cylinder, right out of the box, Keisler supplied, but not made/ nor modified by them,.....and a input shaft sheared off a TKO 600, that was due to an "inexperienced employee" that thought he knew "everything"......and FORGOT to install the front BEARING .....he was fired! I've beaten the sh1t out of every Keisler set up,......and have yet had to experience any breakage?.....I usally find that when something fails , it's the result of an improper application, or improper installation?
Dude, I hear alot of talk about you driving these cars "hard", but what are the dragstrip numbers? Driving on a road course in the rain is not powershifting at 7K rpm 3 times in 11 seconds. The bottom line is that these guys are advertising a "bolt-in" product. I have been power-shifting and drag racing Mopars since I was 16. I assembled the 833 in my original 69 RT 4sp Dana car on my back in my parents driveway with a broomstick wrapped with masking tape for a clutch alignment tool. This was in the 80s with a worn out Hays clutch, worn out pedals and linkage, and the original Hurst shifter. The only thing I did was use Mr. Gasket steel bushings on the shift rods. The car launched so hard it eventually ripped the door stirker out of the jamb, and I would powershift it routinely at 6K rpm (every time I left the driveway as a 16 year-old should) and I had NO shimming the K-member, NO re-working the driveline angle, No precision adjustments, NO sending the trans out for a bunch of trick parts, etc, etc.
The point is these are musclecars, and the manufacturers are advertising the product as "bolt-in" and "no mods". It's nice if you can get a wing car to run a road course and get 7 more miles to the gallon on the highway, but these cars were built to drag race, and if you can't shift 'em at 6K grand upon bolting it in the car without modifying the driveline, and a dozen other adjustments not required on a factory install, then the manufacturer didn't come through as promised.
'70 Cuda 440/auto
'70 Duster 340/4sp project
'70 Satellite convert 318 survivor
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Re: 70 E body tremec 5 speed...what they don't tell you!
[Re: mercman1]
#69462
06/09/08 09:51 PM
06/09/08 09:51 PM
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Slidell, LA
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I've got to go with mecman1 on this one. I just read through the latest Mopar Muscle Mag and there is the classic Keisler ad and I quote "Get the total package with Keisler---1) "Lowers engine RPM", 2) "Easy Installation", 3)"Extended engine life, 4) "More gears, uncompromised performance", 5) "All necessary components", and 6) "Highest quality parts". I guess 3 or 4 out of 6 isn't bad----------------- if you are a batter. I for one will never purchase anything from Keisler. Too much bad feedback here on Moparts. I've read Keiler's replys to posts and they seems to care. But, for the money people are laying down, don't sugar coat the product to cover the downside. Just my 2 cents.
Ron
PS: Why is every picture I see of XV Motorsport's ads, show the cars driving in the rain?
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Re: 70 E body tremec 5 speed...what they don't tell you!
[Re: Ronnman]
#69463
06/09/08 10:16 PM
06/09/08 10:16 PM
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I've got to go with mecman1 on this one. I just read through the latest Mopar Muscle Mag and there is the classic Keisler ad and I quote "Get the total package with Keisler---1) "Lowers engine RPM", 2) "Easy Installation", 3)"Extended engine life, 4) "More gears, uncompromised performance", 5) "All necessary components", and 6) "Highest quality parts". I guess 3 or 4 out of 6 isn't bad----------------- if you are a batter. I for one will never purchase anything from Keisler. Too much bad feedback here on Moparts. I've read Keiler's replys to posts and they seems to care. But, for the money people are laying down, don't sugar coat the product to cover the downside. Just my 2 cents.
The Keisler people hit on all 6 for me.
A lot of the negative crap gets slung by people that never owned one or ever will have one. Lots of hapl ford and gm guys running them as well as most mopar guys. You just dont see the happy ones crying.
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