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Help decode my A12 69 bee #68650
06/06/08 03:10 PM
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Hi, I am in the middle of rebuilding a 69.5 bee that was a drag car years ago and therefore is missing interior and a few other minor pieces. Being a former drag car it has extra holes in the floor for seats and the passenger inner fender.I am ready to patch the floor holes and want to make sure this was a bench seat car. Any way here are the fender tag codes, if anyone can decifer them for me I would be thankful.

13135 284727 9A2------
925 999 603
26 A12
8X
V2 V2 H2X X9
WM23 E63 D21 426 921116

Did all 6 pack bees have chrome exhaust Tips? This one looks like it did based on where the last hanger was.
Any one have a good picture of the Passenger inner fender so that I may see what holes are extra?
Thanks
Al

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Re: Help decode my A12 69 bee [Re: fourforty] #68651
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Hi, I am in the middle of rebuilding a 69.5 bee that was a drag car years ago and therefore is missing interior and a few other minor pieces. Being a former drag car it has extra holes in the floor for seats and the passenger inner fender.I am ready to patch the floor holes and want to make sure this was a bench seat car. Any way here are the fender tag codes, if anyone can decifer them for me I would be thankful.

13135 284727 9A2XXXXX
925 999 603
26 A12
8X
V2 V2 H2X X9
WM23 E63 D21 426 921116

Did all 6 pack bees have chrome exhaust Tips? This one looks like it did based on where the last hanger was.
Any one have a good picture of the Passenger inner fender so that I may see what holes are extra?
Thanks
Al




Bottom line

WM23 - Super Bee Hardtop
E63 - 383 cu in engine (A12 package added 440 and deleted 383)
D21 - HD 4-speed (sometimes refered to as "Hemi" 4-speed)
426 - "Scheduled" Production Date; April 26, 1969 (Scheduled date but NOT the date that all A12 package cars were actually built)
921116 - Order number - Special Order

Line 2 (second from bottom)

V2 - body color orange
V2 - Roof color orange
H2X - High grade, bench seat, black interior
X9 - upper door color

Line 3 (from bottom)

8X - Black "Bee" tail stripe

Line 4

26 - 26 inch radiator
A12 - A12 option package 3x2 440, etc.,

Line 5

925 - code for 383 4-speed, heater,...
999 - "Special Axle" in this case Dana 4.10 with police manual adjust 11x2.5 drums
603 HD 4-speed transmission

Line 6

13135 - body-in-white gate and line codes
284727 - assembly code
9A2XXXXX - VIN 9=1969, A=Lynch Road Assembly plant, 2XXXXX assembly sequence number


MikeR


Oops, saw your VIN edit

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Re: Help decode my A12 69 bee [Re: A12] #68652
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Al,

Doing up a bench seat, pretty original 4 sp A12 bee if you ever need to see anything. I live outside Buffalo myself. Cool car, good luck.

Rick.

Re: Help decode my A12 69 bee [Re: fourforty] #68653
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Al, sounds like a cool car. Have any photos to share with us? Does it have any of the original drivetrain?

Re: Help decode my A12 69 bee [Re: Dave Watt] #68654
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Another Buffalo A12 owner here. Your car wouldn't have an orange sixpack hood with hood locks would it?,

It may be a car from my hometown..


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Re: Help decode my A12 69 bee [Re: A12] #68655
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Your bee would have the tips unless it was originally shipped to California.
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Re: Help decode my A12 69 bee [Re: Kidsixpack] #68656
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Your bee would have the tips unless it was originally shipped to California.
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Steve, I always wondered about that for the A12's and California noise requirements because the air filter/air intakes were required to be muffled too on the '69 cars (GTX, RR, Bee's etc.,). The snorkel air fiter covers were mandatory on CA car and no tips allowed. How did they use the open scoop A12 hood on these cars or were there few enough sold to California dealers to get an exemption from the reg?? Does anyone know of an original California A12 that came with or without the tips? How about the Vic Edelbrock A12 Bee?

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Those are some good points regarding California's regulations. I'll be patiently waiting for evidence of a A12 that was originally sold in California.
Dave

Re: Help decode my A12 69 bee [Re: Dave Watt] #68658
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A CA snorkled '69 GTX without exhaust tips

Re: Help decode my A12 69 bee [Re: A12] #68659
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no exhaust tips (those are not tips but extensions but they should be under the car originally)

Re: Help decode my A12 69 bee [Re: Dave Watt] #68660
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Those are some good points regarding California's regulations. I'll be patiently waiting for evidence of a A12 that was originally sold in California.
Dave




Is there a copy of a window sticker from a CA sold car in the A12 registry archives? That will tell you whether or not they were N97 cars.


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Re: Help decode my A12 69 bee [Re: 69CoronetRT] #68661
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I bought a A12 bee in 1974 that a soldier brought with him to Ft. Walters in Texas from California and it had turn downs no tips.


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Re: Help decode my A12 69 bee [Re: A12] #68662
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Does anyone know of an original California A12 that came with or without the tips?




Mine sold new in Ca, and has/had the tips


69.5 A12 Bee, first purchased in 1976, car 169 on registry 69 Coronet R/T 440/4 spd 69 Coronet 500 Conv H code 383 4bbl/auto 37 Plymouth PU Find your spot on earth and ride it.
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Does anyone know of an original California A12 that came with or without the tips?




Mine sold new in Ca, and has/had the tips




They are all supposed to have had the turn down pipes if being shipped to CA. If the car is in CA and has tips it may not have originally been ordered to a CA dealer. It will Bee on the build sheet if you have it?
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It's been a few years, but I've seen two buildsheets that specified turndown tips on A12 cars. Both were said (by the current owners) to have been shipped to CA but I didn't verify that?
KID

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Does anyone know of an original California A12 that came with or without the tips?




Mine sold new in Ca, and has/had the tips




They are all supposed to have had the turn down pipes if being shipped to CA. If the car is in CA and has tips it may not have originally been ordered to a CA dealer. It will Bee on the build sheet if you have it?
KID




I have the factory dealer invoice from the dealer it shipped to/sold from, Fremont Dodge, no where on the invoice is anything about deleted tips/Ca noise reduction package, plus I have the original tips given to me from the original owner and the original tip hangers are still on the car


69.5 A12 Bee, first purchased in 1976, car 169 on registry 69 Coronet R/T 440/4 spd 69 Coronet 500 Conv H code 383 4bbl/auto 37 Plymouth PU Find your spot on earth and ride it.
Re: Help decode my A12 69 bee [Re: Kidsixpack] #68666
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It's not an A12 car but my '70 6bbl car was built in LA & came new right off the C-P dealership's lot on Chestnut, in Fort Bragg, CA., Sept. 1970. It has N97 & it's always had chrome tips & N42 on the tag. The tips were hooked to resonators. Has N96, w/open element air cleaner, though it has the shield in the front of it. N95, too. Anyway, if the tips came on mine in CA in 1970, I would hazard a guess they might have showed up on a '69. Technically, mine wasn't supposed to get them, either.

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Does anyone know of an original California A12 that came with or without the tips?




Mine sold new in Ca, and has/had the tips




They are all supposed to have had the turn down pipes if being shipped to CA. If the car is in CA and has tips it may not have originally been ordered to a CA dealer. It will Bee on the build sheet if you have it?
KID




I have the factory dealer invoice from the dealer it shipped to/sold from, Fremont Dodge, no where on the invoice is anything about deleted tips/Ca noise reduction package, plus I have the original tips given to me from the original owner and the original tip hangers are still on the car





I certainly can't disagree with factory paperwork! Maybe the A12 cars were somehow exempt as stated in an earlier post?

As I stated before I've seen the tip deletion on two sheets, but I didn't verify where the cars were shipped? Or maybe I miss stated and the tips were not deleted, but just not listed on the sheet as I believe they are for Bee's? I'm at work so I have no sheets to look at.
KID

Re: Help decode my A12 69 bee [Re: Kidsixpack] #68668
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Why would tips be omitted in CA? Noise? Pollution? I always saw them as more decorative than anything else...


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Re: Help decode my A12 69 bee [Re: plymouthfan] #68669
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My understanding is the noise... tips project out while turn-downs project, er, well, down... not so loud.


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