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Re: Firm Feel or Manual steering [Re: jcc] #664590 09/06/10 11:44 AM 09/06/10 11:44 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,481 Outside thedriver pro stock
thedriver pro stock Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,481 Outside	i put a manual box in my car, considerably more effort with the 16:1 flaming river box, but i doubt i ll regret that until im like really stinkin old. for now it works great. I dont miss throwin a p/s belt everynow and again at 6500rpm, less weight, one lesss thing to leak, car is now easier to work on. I've never looked back! 1973 challenger Dana. 4 speed. Low deck.

Re: Firm Feel or Manual steering [Re: thedriver] #664591 09/06/10 11:53 AM 09/06/10 11:53 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,451 So Cal autoxcuda Too Many Posts
autoxcuda Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,451 So Cal	Quote: i put a manual box in my car, considerably more effort with the 16:1 flaming river box, but i doubt i ll regret that until im like really stinkin old. for now it works great. I dont miss throwin a p/s belt everynow and again at 6500rpm, less weight, one lesss thing to leak, car is now easier to work on. I've never looked back! What size front tires do you have?

Re: Firm Feel or Manual steering [Re: autoxcuda] #664592 09/06/10 12:03 PM 09/06/10 12:03 PM
Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 217 Owosso, Michigan S stateroadhog enthusiast
stateroadhog enthusiast S Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 217 Owosso, Michigan	I put firm feel stage 2 box in 70 B-Body all new front end rebuild. It works great way better than the police firm feel. I would go to stage 3 if I could.

Re: Firm Feel or Manual steering [Re: autoxcuda] #664593 09/06/10 01:21 PM 09/06/10 01:21 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,481 Outside thedriver pro stock
thedriver pro stock Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,481 Outside	Quote: Quote: i put a manual box in my car, considerably more effort with the 16:1 flaming river box, but i doubt i ll regret that until im like really stinkin old. for now it works great. I dont miss throwin a p/s belt everynow and again at 6500rpm, less weight, one lesss thing to leak, car is now easier to work on. I've never looked back! What size front tires do you have? 215/70/15. 1973 challenger Dana. 4 speed. Low deck.

Re: Firm Feel or Manual steering [Re: thedriver] #664594 09/06/10 01:25 PM 09/06/10 01:25 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,451 So Cal autoxcuda Too Many Posts
autoxcuda Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,451 So Cal	Quote: Quote: Quote: i put a manual box in my car, considerably more effort with the 16:1 flaming river box, but i doubt i ll regret that until im like really stinkin old. for now it works great. I dont miss throwin a p/s belt everynow and again at 6500rpm, less weight, one lesss thing to leak, car is now easier to work on. I've never looked back! What size front tires do you have? 215/70/15. The wider and more grippy the tire the harder it is to steer. 235/60 wide and lower profile 225 wide tires will be noticably harder to steer.

Re: Firm Feel or Manual steering [Re: autoxcuda] #664595 09/06/10 02:05 PM 09/06/10 02:05 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 727 Ottawa, ontario D dd340 OP super stock
dd340 OP super stock D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 727 Ottawa, ontario	I didn't realize this post had gotten revived. I ended up getting a newly rebuilt manual fast ratio box (about 3 3/4 turns)from ebay and it made a world of difference when driving on the highway. It is far more precise and doesn't feel twitchy like the powersteering. It is a bit of a bear to drive in a parking lot but otherwise much better. Wheel return is also much better, which I like. I think it would be tough to drive in bigger car but for an abody it is pretty slick.

Re: Firm Feel or Manual steering [Re: dd340] #664596 09/06/10 02:33 PM 09/06/10 02:33 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,009 Covington Georgia RV2 master
RV2 master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,009 Covington Georgia	Do you remember who the seller was and what did you have to pay for it?

Re: Firm Feel or Manual steering [Re: autoxcuda] #664597 09/06/10 02:37 PM 09/06/10 02:37 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,481 Outside thedriver pro stock
thedriver pro stock Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,481 Outside	Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: i put a manual box in my car, considerably more effort with the 16:1 flaming river box, but i doubt i ll regret that until im like really stinkin old. for now it works great. I dont miss throwin a p/s belt everynow and again at 6500rpm, less weight, one lesss thing to leak, car is now easier to work on. I've never looked back! What size front tires do you have? 215/70/15. The wider and more grippy the tire the harder it is to steer. 235/60 wide and lower profile 225 wide tires will be noticably harder to steer. but honestly, the only time i notice "effort" in the wheel, is parking stall driving, as far as making corners, etc, there is no real effort there...plus you can really feeel where your tires are on the road. 1973 challenger Dana. 4 speed. Low deck.

Re: Firm Feel or Manual steering [Re: RV2] #664598 09/06/10 04:47 PM 09/06/10 04:47 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 727 Ottawa, ontario D dd340 OP super stock
dd340 OP super stock D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 727 Ottawa, ontario	Quote: Do you remember who the seller was and what did you have to pay for it? As far a I know it was just someone selling a box they didn't want anymore. He also included the power to manual steering coupler. I won it for $225 and it only had a few miles on it. I thought it was a great deal in the end.

Re: Firm Feel or Manual steering [Re: autoxcuda] #664599 09/06/10 06:08 PM 09/06/10 06:08 PM
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 22,695 Bitopia J jcc If you can't dazzle em with diamonds..
jcc If you can't dazzle em with diamonds.. J Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 22,695 Bitopia	Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: The ratio multipler box of 1.5 or 2.0 would in IMO make a power steering box WAY too fast, I thought so too. But everyone that has driven that Hotchkis Emax Challenger loves it. I suspect the ratio is likely speed dependant, ie slow speeds a slow ratio, med speeds a fast ratio, and ala superspeedway/nascar speeds, they go back to a slow ratio to likely make more precise steering corrections and prevent oversteering, is my guess. No, those multipliers are just straight gear reduction boxes. Nothing fancy with variable ratios. We obviously are on two different pages. Not sure how "variable" ratios got injected. However, it seems to me, that different ratios are favorable for different uses/speeds cars are driven, again slow ratio for superspeedways, fast for med speed track use, slow for around town street and parking. So you pick your poison, unless you can tell me about this variable ratio box for an old Mopar. Make sense? Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.

Re: Firm Feel or Manual steering [Re: jcc] #664600 09/06/10 09:53 PM 09/06/10 09:53 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,451 So Cal autoxcuda Too Many Posts
autoxcuda Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,451 So Cal	Quote: We obviously are on two different pages. Not sure how "variable" ratios got injected. However, it seems to me, that different ratios are favorable for different uses/speeds cars are driven, again slow ratio for superspeedways, fast for med speed track use, slow for around town street and parking. So you pick your poison, unless you can tell me about this variable ratio box for an old Mopar. Make sense? Ok, now I understand what you were saying. I think the superspeedway and bonniville stuff will have a slower ratio. Even drag cars. But if was power steering I don't see much of a downfall to quicker ratio for in the city driving. I think a lot of new performance car have 12:1 or 10:1 steering ratios.

Re: Firm Feel or Manual steering [Re: autoxcuda] #664601 04/15/12 01:41 AM 04/15/12 01:41 AM
Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 8 Erie PA L lakeeffect member
lakeeffect member L Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 8 Erie PA	I purchased a flaming river 16-1 box. Its real nice although its iron compared to the factory aluminum i think the weight difference is with a pound or two. This i think is because the size of the FR unit is actually smaller area wise than the factory aluminum. Steering quickener wise. My father has raced circle track for 30 years. He said he tryed a 2-1 Coleman Quickener on a Limited Late a few years ago. It was just too stiff. it was a 16-1 vega box. He went power. The FR unit is still a handful at 6'3 210 pounds with 225-50-15 and an all steel small block A body during auto x. Hopefully soon ill be trading for a firm feel/box/Sweet mfg steer shaft/ 1.5 Coleman. 7165274-StLLMHeat2AndySweetland.jpg (120 downloads)

Re: Firm Feel or Manual steering [Re: lakeeffect] #664602 04/15/12 01:56 AM 04/15/12 01:56 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	I went with the StageIII FF box for my Duster. 2 Reasons, it's an original power steering car and I want to keep it all original appearing, and secondly, I've driven several cars with the StageIII boxes and loved them all!

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