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Re: 5.9 efi a different way [Re: edl94] #662775
04/23/12 09:41 AM
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Glad to hear you had success, EDL94!

Hooziwhatsit - your turn.

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EDL94 - can you give us some details of what you did for a fuel pump? In-tank? baffled? no baffles? external pump?

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Re: 5.9 efi a different way [Re: edl94] #662776
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Details: It is a 440 with 9.8 to 1 compression, stealth heads, Holley street dominator intake modified (for EFI), Lunati 60303 cam, windage tray, Schumacher try-y headers, and TTI 2.5 x-pipe exhaust.
Oh you ment the EFI details. This would not be considered a buget build. I did use a couple of used parts from ebay,(The MAF and 30# injectors) the rest was new. The fuel rails,and intake throttle body adaptor are edelbrock. The intake is a modified holley street dominator. I used a holley throttle body, painless wire harness,and all new ford style sensors. The trick is still the dizzy. I spent the cash and bought a mallory 95 series dizzy. It has a hall effect sensor and #1 cyl ID built in, the problem is #1 mopar and #1 ford are not the same. Just put the #1 ford or #2 mopar plug wire at the #1 id spot and wire the rest around the circle. the rotor still needs to point at mopar #1 at tdc. Hard to type but not that hard in real life. I also am using a quarterhorse programing card. It allows me full access to tuning and datalogging the ford ecu. I am using an A9L ecu all I have done so far is change the injector firing order, the cid, and the injector size. It seems to run OK but will need some work run great. I remote mounted the TFI on a heat sinc from ebay. I know I have not covered it all but if any one has more questions ask and I wil do my best to answer.




So it looks like you used this distributor? Good to know that it does work with the Ford stuff. Could also mean it would be easier to fab our own set up, if it's not sensitive to small changes
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/MAA-9557814/

Does the Holley Throttle body flow more air than the stock ford one? How big of MAF did you get? Going with all new stuff otherwise probably lowers the troubleshooting, but I don't imagine it helps the pocketbook

I've looked at the quarterhorse/binary editor stuff before, and it looks like it should work pretty well. I'd be curious to know how the tuning goes once you get into it.


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Re: 5.9 efi a different way [Re: hooziewhatsit] #662777
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Yes that is the distributer I used. If I had a small block I would have modified a ford dist. The throttle body is this one http://www.summitracing.com/parts/HLY-112-510/ 80mm. The MAF sensor is a used pro flow 80mm calibrated for the used 30lb injectors both from Ebay. I wont be tuning for a while still have wiring to do. and then final body work and paint. But I will keep you posted when the time comes.

Re: 5.9 efi a different way [Re: Fury Fan] #662778
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I copied this for the fuel pump. I think it works well and keeps the stock look. Installed a new prebent 3/8 line and used the stock 5/16 for a return. http://www.moparmusclemagazine.com/techa...de/viewall.html

Re: 5.9 efi a different way [Re: edl94] #662779
04/25/12 09:46 AM
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Did you use nylon fuel lines as the article mentions? I've been lookign for that stuff for a while, can find anythign specifically noted as SAE for fuel usage.

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There's a special SAE hose for immersion in a fuel tank, were you able to find some?

Re: 5.9 efi a different way [Re: Fury Fan] #662780
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I thought about the nylon line but went with steel. I dont know where to find it either. It looks like a good option if you can find some. The fuel pump came with a short section of hose and clamps that I assume are correct for immersion. I used this pump.
http://www.americanmuscle.com/bbk-fuel-pump-255lph.html

Re: 5.9 efi a different way [Re: edl94] #662781
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Yeah, I would presume BBK to include the correct immersion-rated hose.

I've had my eye peeled for nylon for a few years, foudn some listed for fuel and oil but nothing with an SAE spec# on it, so I'll use steel too.

Re: 5.9 efi a different way [Re: Fury Fan] #662782
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Was the dizzy ever solved?

Re: 5.9 efi a different way [Re: Fury Fan] #662783
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From an oddfire/evenfire perspective the teeth are spaced equally on both wheels with the exception of the oddball tooth/gap. However, the Mopar wheel has teeth that overall are a bit narrower than the Ford, and this will affect the system to an as-yet unknown degree (pun intended), because the coil is fired on the falling edge of the wheel, which will affect timing.



I've been looking at this again the last couple days, and found some more information on the distributor signals.

According to this document Link (section 2.2.7 PIP), the PIP signal is used to execute the internal base loop. So, that must be why the Ford distributor spinning backwards, and why the Mallory Hall effect distributor work.

So, if the Dodge 8 tooth wheel has evenly spaced teeth, and we can file the #1 indicator to match the Ford one, I think it should work just fine

This link shows a waveform of the Ford trigger wheel.

I also found the Ford Lightning MAF (LMAF) is relatively cheap at ~$100, but most people say it's only good for ~500hp (crank or rear wheel not exactly specified). A built 360 will be close to that, and a 408 should be well over it. Then you're into the realm of $200-300 MAFs.


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Re: 5.9 efi a different way [Re: hooziewhatsit] #662784
01/30/13 11:44 AM
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i read the 1st two pages and skimmed over this one, so if anything i mention has already been discussed disregard it this is just a brief overview

the ford 90mm maf is good for approx ~450rwhp

when you can reprogram the ecu you don't have to have 'calibrated' meters for specific injectors, you can use anything you wish, a calibrated meter simply 'scales' the airflow by the same percentage as the injector size increase FOR A STOCK TUNE so the vehicle runs about right

with that said the only 2 sensors i recommend are the pro-m 60lb calibrated 85mm or 80mm sensors (good for ~800rwhp) and the 05+ slot style (high flow) sensor available from vmp hpx and the like (good for 3" =900rwhp, 3.5" = 1200rwhp, 4" = 1600rwhp), a factory 05+ ford slot sensor can be had on ebay for $16 from the user massairflow4u or something like that, for a few bucks more you can also get the connector as well so be sure to get that if you go that route, now the factory slot $16 special (non-high flow) is only good for 3" = 240rwhp, 3.5" = 340rwhp, 4" = 430rwhp, so it wouldn't be feasible for most

however, it appears the only difference between the high flow slot and the factory slot is that they burn 2 traces on the board, no one has verified this yet though so if someone wishes to do so post back with your results, the high flow slots are actually stock ford meters they 'recalibrate'



the ford ecu's (excluding the early 80s 4cyl svo's) use high impedance injectors, its useless to use anything other than siemens deka high impedance 80lb injectors, they typically sell for about $365 for a set of 8, be sure they are genuine theres a bunch of fakes that have hit the market recently

a set of 80s in a v8 at 40psi base fuel pressure is good for approx 1000rwhp, it will be less with boost


a single intank walbro 255 l/h pump is good for about 700hp crank

the speed density ford and mass air ford ecu's use the hego's (o2's) on a per bank basis, you can specifically designate which injector you want to assign to each o2 sensor, you can also disable the 2nd o2 sensor if you wish and run only one, especially useful for turbo setups

-decipha

Re: 5.9 efi a different way [Re: EFIDynoTuning] #662785
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Looking at your MAF limitations, why can't you run two smaller MAFs or two of the lightnings? Can run some sort of "V" air intake. Would the computer be able to add the 2 and adjust the fuel accordingly?

Re: 5.9 efi a different way [Re: roadrunninMark] #662786
01/30/13 01:19 PM
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Is that thing running yet? What's it been 4 years?

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