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413 motorhome engine ???"s #651550 03/26/10 05:12 AM 03/26/10 05:12 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,567 Ky J jt4406 OP pro stock
jt4406 OP pro stock J Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,567 Ky	Had the opportunity yesterday to buy a 413 engine out of a motorhome. It was complete with a holley carb (looked to be one with a governor). I passed on it. It had the industrial waterpump setup on it so I figured the heads, intake, carb, exhaust, were all basically useless. It had a small diameter balancer, didn't look to be externally balanced, but not the same diameter as a steel 440 crank would have had. Do you guys know if the block, crank and rods were useful in an automotive application? thanks Jess Yeah, it's hopped up to over 160...

Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s [Re: jt4406] #651551 03/26/10 07:11 AM 03/26/10 07:11 AM
Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 5,746 Ontario, Canada Dodgem master
Dodgem master Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 5,746 Ontario, Canada	What year?

Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s [Re: jt4406] #651552 03/26/10 08:36 AM 03/26/10 08:36 AM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio Challenger 1 Too Many Posts
Challenger 1 Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio	Where's Doc fiberglass? I bet he knows.

Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s [Re: Dodgem] #651553 03/26/10 08:52 AM 03/26/10 08:52 AM
Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 151 MotorCity RC91 member
RC91 member Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 151 MotorCity	Many of the industrial type big blocks used 8 bolt cranks like a hemi. The block, crank, and maybe the rods could be usable. The heads have 318 sized valves (1.78 Intake, 1.50 Exhaust) and the ports resemble a small blocks ports. Those motors are usually low compression, like 7:1 and rated around 160 HP.

Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s [Re: RC91] #651554 03/26/10 09:30 AM 03/26/10 09:30 AM
Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 16,054 RI Deep in the rust belt chargervert I Live Here
chargervert I Live Here Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 16,054 RI Deep in the rust belt	I have a 413 Motor home engine,and it says 265 horsepower right on the air cleaner lid. 70 Charger R/T SE 472 Hemi 70 Charger R/T convertible 70 Charger R/T V Code Sixpack 69 Charger R/T SE Sunroofcar 68 Charger 383 68 Charger 318 71 Charger R/T 70 Challenger convertible 71 Challenger convertible 71 Cuda 340 09 Challenger R/T Classic

Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s [Re: chargervert] #651555 03/26/10 10:09 AM 03/26/10 10:09 AM
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,319 Puyallup, WA S StealthWedge67 master
StealthWedge67 master S Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,319 Puyallup, WA	413's are a compromise anyway because of the bore size (smaller than a 383). If you're looking for a block to rebuild with performance in mind, there's really no reason to start with anything except a 440 or 400. LemonWedge - Street heavy / Strip ready - 11.07 @ 120

Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s [Re: Challenger 1] #651556 03/26/10 11:31 AM 03/26/10 11:31 AM
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,632 Florida STAYcation IcorkSOAK Financed his waterbed
IcorkSOAK Financed his waterbed Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,632 Florida STAYcation	Quote: Where's Doc fiberglass? I bet he knows. You rang ? .. To the OP ... you passed on it ? .. how much were they asking for it? I have seen a JY asking as much as 1000$ ...and as little as 125$(with a trans) in a burned-out MH .... toasted because the Berry crab started leaking like a sieve ....and burned the front half of the MH almost to-the-ground !!! IS this motor usable in a car .....as-is ? If you want a GRUNT motor and if you want to heavily modify the exh mans .. sure. But the entire combo is more suited to a motorhome/truck application. Should you toss all those parts you mention? ... YEAH ... TOSS 'EM over here ! I am doing some serious R%D with this combo and am saving all these parts I can. Are the parts that you mention worth saving? ... I say yes. Are they as good as a typical 440 HP combo ? ... probably not - as some would suggest. But then did the smaller-bore Max-Wedge run pretty good ? Yup ! .. """"""""""Had the opportunity yesterday to buy a 413 engine out of a motorhome. It was complete with a holley carb (looked to be one with a governor). I passed on it. It had the industrial waterpump setup on it so I figured the heads, intake, carb, exhaust, were all basically useless. It had a small diameter balancer, didn't look to be externally balanced, but not the same diameter as a steel 440 crank would have had. Do you guys know if the block, crank and rods were useful in an automotive application? """""""""""

Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s [Re: IcorkSOAK] #651557 03/26/10 11:55 AM 03/26/10 11:55 AM
Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 16,054 RI Deep in the rust belt chargervert I Live Here
chargervert I Live Here Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 16,054 RI Deep in the rust belt	The one I have is complete,carb to pan,with trans,and it runs. The first person to put $400.00 in my hand can take it. 70 Charger R/T SE 472 Hemi 70 Charger R/T convertible 70 Charger R/T V Code Sixpack 69 Charger R/T SE Sunroofcar 68 Charger 383 68 Charger 318 71 Charger R/T 70 Challenger convertible 71 Challenger convertible 71 Cuda 340 09 Challenger R/T Classic

Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s [Re: chargervert] #651558 03/26/10 01:26 PM 03/26/10 01:26 PM
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RC91 member Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 151 MotorCity	Dodge 1971/72 V8- 413-1 4 BBL 4.188 X 3.75 7.5 to 1 265 @ 4000 445 fp @ 2400 Sodium Ex. Valves Dodge 1971/72 V8- 413-3 4 BBL 4.188 X 3.75 7.5 to 1 238 @ 3600 407 fp @ 2000 Sodium Ex. Valves Dodge 1973 V8- 413-3 4 BBL 4.188 X 3.75 7.5 to 1 190 @ 3200 355 fp @ 2000 Sodium Ex. Valves Dodge 1976 V8- 413-3 4 BBL 4.188.X 3.75 7.54 to 1 175 @ 3200 325 fp @ 2000

Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s [Re: chargervert] #651559 03/26/10 02:03 PM 03/26/10 02:03 PM
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,632 Florida STAYcation IcorkSOAK Financed his waterbed
IcorkSOAK Financed his waterbed Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,632 Florida STAYcation	Quote: The one I have is complete,carb to pan,with trans,and it runs. The first person to put $400.00 in my hand can take it. In my experience .... your hand is going to be OUT THERE a long LONG time !

Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s [Re: RC91] #651560 03/26/10 02:05 PM 03/26/10 02:05 PM
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,632 Florida STAYcation IcorkSOAK Financed his waterbed
IcorkSOAK Financed his waterbed Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,632 Florida STAYcation	Quote: Dodge 1971/72 V8- 413-1 4 BBL 4.188 X 3.75 7.5 to 1 265 @ 4000 445 fp @ 2400 Sodium Ex. Valves Dodge 1971/72 V8- 413-3 4 BBL 4.188 X 3.75 7.5 to 1 238 @ 3600 407 fp @ 2000 Sodium Ex. Valves Dodge 1973 V8- 413-3 4 BBL 4.188 X 3.75 7.5 to 1 190 @ 3200 355 fp @ 2000 Sodium Ex. Valves Dodge 1976 V8- 413-3 4 BBL 4.188.X 3.75 7.54 to 1 175 @ 3200 325 fp @ 2000 WHERE did you come up with these #'s ?

Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s [Re: jt4406] #651561 03/26/10 03:04 PM 03/26/10 03:04 PM
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Commando1 master Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 9,336 South-Central (Sebring), FL	This can be debated ad nauseum but what it boils down to is that a 413 block is like any other BB (I said BLOCK, not engine) . No dif. The block itself: $150. Only use it as a starting point to a total budget build.

Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s [Re: IcorkSOAK] #651562 03/26/10 03:06 PM 03/26/10 03:06 PM
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2young2drive member 2 Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 10 ohio	http://www.flxible.net/enginespecs.html

Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s [Re: 2young2drive] #651563 05/06/10 05:32 PM 05/06/10 05:32 PM
Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 495 fresno ca wildfish72 mopar addict
wildfish72 mopar addict Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 495 fresno ca	i picked up a 413 some years ago with all that crap on it , and slapped a set of 906 heads i have laying around and a summit cam i had also a tm7 with a 150 shot of nos and man it runs pretty dam good on or off the bottle i like the motor becuase i cant git it to ping at all and i can run some shitty gas in it if im broke that week . i will say the 413 spins like a 383 but torqs like 440 , i like the motor for its all around powerband it has

Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s [Re: wildfish72] #651564 09/13/10 10:44 AM 09/13/10 10:44 AM
Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 223 Poplar Bluff, Missouri partfiler69 Still Wondering
partfiler69 Still Wondering Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 223 Poplar Bluff, Missouri	I just picked one of these up, and I am wondering what can be used? I have a 2bbl 383 out of a 70 polara for parts, can I use the 413 intake on the 906 heads? This is a budget build for right now. I just want to know what to hang on to, and what to toss on the scrap trailer. Back from hiatus

Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s [Re: partfiler69] #651565 09/13/10 12:05 PM 09/13/10 12:05 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,567 Ky J jt4406 OP pro stock
jt4406 OP pro stock J Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,567 Ky	Quote: I have a 2bbl 383 out of a 70 polara for parts, can I use the 413 intake on the 906 heads? If I understand you correctly, you want to use the 413 intake on the 906 heads MOUNTED ON THE 383, correct? I believe the 413 is an RB engine, while the 383 is a B engine. If all this is right, the intake is too wide to fit your 383. jt Yeah, it's hopped up to over 160...

Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s [Re: jt4406] #651566 09/13/10 12:19 PM 09/13/10 12:19 PM
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,632 Florida STAYcation IcorkSOAK Financed his waterbed
IcorkSOAK Financed his waterbed Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,632 Florida STAYcation	Some people THINK that the 413 MH intake is a way-diff piece than most-any RB intake. NOT so ... It is a little diff ... like it has COOLANT running through-it instead of exhaust heat AND that that particular manifold is way yester-tech .... You can do muchO BESTer .. with a more up-to-date intake ...

Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s [Re: jt4406] #651567 09/13/10 12:20 PM 09/13/10 12:20 PM
Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 223 Poplar Bluff, Missouri partfiler69 Still Wondering
partfiler69 Still Wondering Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 223 Poplar Bluff, Missouri	I'm sorry, let me try this again. I want to take the oil pan, pickup tube, heads and water pump housing from the 383 and put it on the 413. Did I forget anything? Back from hiatus

Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s [Re: partfiler69] #651568 09/13/10 12:41 PM 09/13/10 12:41 PM
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,632 Florida STAYcation IcorkSOAK Financed his waterbed
IcorkSOAK Financed his waterbed Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,632 Florida STAYcation	Quote: I'm sorry, let me try this again. I want to take the oil pan, pickup tube, heads and water pump housing from the 383 and put it on the 413. Did I forget anything? YES ... it will work .. but you can do better. Get a set of small chambered heads for more compression(the MH 413 is very weak in that area). And a set of regular 383 heads(906's?) will not help. In this swap ... watch out for the top two ports of the water pump in the block. On the 413 - using those "goofy" heads ... these ports are more-than-likely plugged with sediment.

Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s [Re: IcorkSOAK] #651569 09/13/10 12:43 PM 09/13/10 12:43 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	much easier just to take a felt marker and write "413" on the 383's valvecovers... no?

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